Donkeys Beginning to Break Rank ..and boy are they rank!

Gary H

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From Salon..the ultra-liberal web outlet:

http://salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/27/bumblers/index.html
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Donkey doofuses
From the butterfly ballot to Miami-Dade's withdrawal to the confused messages sent by the Florida Supreme Court, the real damage to Al Gore has been inflicted by his own troops.

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By Andrew Ross

Nov. 27, 2000 | When Al Gore addressed the nation Monday evening, he echoed the party-line justification for his ongoing battle to claim the presidency. As he told Democratic congressional leaders in a nationally televised conference earlier in the day, "It is important for the integrity of our democracy to make sure that every vote is counted."

Senior Gore supporters and strategists have been pounding away at the same message ever since Florida's secretary of state pronounced Gov. George W. Bush the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes. They have "no choice" but to contest the certification because, says running mate Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the count is still "incomplete and inaccurate."




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"An election's not over until the votes have been counted," said Gore's chief attorney, David Boies, as he prepared to launch a fresh blitz of lawsuits to overturn the certification. "And you have nine or 10 thousand votes that have never been counted once."

But whose fault is that? Not Secretary of State Katherine Harris, the Republican woman we love to hate almost as much as Linda Tripp, who observed the letter of the Florida Supreme Court's order closing off the recount at 5 p.m. Sunday. Nor those congressional aides bused in from Capitol Hill by Rep. Tom DeLay to create havoc outside Miami-Dade County's ballot counting center last week. It has nothing to do with Republican "fraud," even if Nassau County's adoption of a status quo ante tally that just happened to give Bush more votes does look eminently fishy. It is, rather, the fault of the Democrats themselves, whose ad hoc scramble to get their man into the end zone has, after three weeks of trying, quite simply failed. But like small children, they seem not to understand, let alone be able to face, the consequences of their own actions.

It was not a Republican who designed the "butterfly ballot" that confused thousands of would-be Democratic voters in Palm Beach County into voting for Pat Buchanan. It was a Democrat, the sad Theresa LePore. It was the Democrat-controlled canvassing board in Palm Beach County that decided to take Thanksgiving Day off, thereby failing to finish in time the manual recount, which had 200 or so new Gore votes counted. (The same board, to its credit, refused to count all the dimpled chads as votes, now one of the Gore legal team's causes of action.) It was a similar Democratic-controlled canvassing board in Miami-Dade County that decided it wouldn't go ahead with a recount at all -- not even of the several thousand disputed ballots -- because its members believed they did not have enough time.

Well, did they or didn't they? The Florida Supreme Court, made up of all Democrat appointees, presumably thought it did when it imposed the 5 p.m. Sunday deadline. If the court was animated by the concern that "every vote be counted" -- a perfectly sustainable legal stand -- why did it not ensure that every vote would be counted, either by demanding Miami-Dade proceed with the recount (which the court in fact refused to do), or by lengthening the recount deadline? Boies did not seem to be bothered by the court's deadline, even though Miami-Dade officials had expressed concerns last week, before the court ruled. In fact, when asked about those concerns by reporters after the court's initial ruling upholding a hand recount, the all-knowing Boies brushed them aside, exuding confidence that the count could easily be completed in time. Wrong.

Perhaps only hindsight is 20-20, but one might also ask why Team Gore did not push harder, via the courts, for a statewide hand recount when it had the chance -- when Republicans like Sen. Chuck Hagel were calling for the same thing. Not only would this clearly have been the fairest and most accurate method, but the Democrats' conviction that Gore "won" Florida might well have proven correct, and for all to see. Too late now. All that Team Gore has left is the temptation to litigate itself out of a situation that it created for itself. While it is noble to use the law to address unjust situations, there is little nobility here. Correcting one perceived injustice will inevitably create another -- to at least 50 percent of the country, one that is even greater. A Gore victory will be Pyrrhic, with a most poisonous residue. Even that promised consolation prize -- a Democratic sweep in 2002 and a one-term Bush presidency -- will be spirited away should Gore persist much longer.
 
It is also downright amusing that the Palm Beach County canvassing board (made up of such 'fair-minded' souls as Carol Roberts) also took the day off on Thanksgiving. They had a limited amount of time (provided by a friendly FL Supreme Court, at Gore's behest), squandered an entire day, and then acted hurt and chagrined when blowing the deadline was not accepted as an excuse.

The hypocrisy is nearly infinite with this crowd.

I think the thing that really rubbed me raw was the pompous way that Republican demonstrations were labeled a 'riot'. The Democrats have made themselves look like fools.

Regards from AZ
 
Electile Dysfunction

Moderator:
Feel free to post or trash as you see fit.

If you're like me, you probably have had your fill of Electile Dysfunction in Florida.

Bear with me for a page or two.

>From their own website!!
Palm Beach County Election instructions:

http://pbcelections.org/Sample Ballots/instruct.jpg

Voters who did not vote for president:

Exit Polling Says At Least 1.5% Of Americans Did Not Vote In
Presidential Contest

While the Gore campaign says dimpled ballots must be counted because every voter obviously intended to vote in the Presidential contest, FOX NEWS reports that at least 1.5% of voters told exit pollsters on November 7 that they did not vote in the presidential race. Experts say ballot races, but NOT in the presidential contest.

The number of "undervoters" in the three Florida recount counties the Gore campaign is trying to mine for additional votes is roughly 1.5-2.25%, well within the range suggested by the exit polls.
(Note: "undervoters" means the voter did not vote in every race on their ballot)

These are the thousands of ballots Sore and Looserman want to count.
These ballots have no punch outs for any presidential candidate and have already had the rest of the ballot counted 2 times by machine and some 3-4 times by hand. Since there is no punch out, how in hell is someone going to determine the intent of the voter? I can see a Democrat
election worker holding the card up to their head and dialling the Psychic hotline to find out that "Yep, it's a Gore Vote !!"

In short, THERE ARE NO UNCOUNTED BALLOTS IN MIAMI-DADE, or any other county. Algore and the Demoncrats are lying through their teeth again!
Right in your face and the media says nothing.

In fact, there are ~2.5 MILLION ballots nation wide without a vote for any presidential candidate.
Some voters simply choose NOT to vote for the president. I will not presume to divine their "intent".

Remember, Gore's lawyers raced through 67 counties in Florida and disenfranchised at least 1400 military absentee ballots. So much for the precious voter's voices. Am I the only one who can see the absolute, stark, evil hypocrisy spewing from the mouth of the Demoncrats? I hope not.

Infamous "dimpled chad" fraud exposed!

Gore's lawyers lied to the Florida Supreme court!!

Facts On Illinois Ruling On Dimpled Ballots:

>From FOX NEWS CHANNEL

~ The Illinois Supreme Court Ruling was incorrectly cited by the Gore campaign and the Florida Supreme Court, and does NOT require dimpled ballots to be counted.

~ In fact, in the Illinois case, dimpled ballots were not counted at all. Illinois attorney Burton Odelson, who represented the challenger in the 1990 Illinois case, said, "the judge did not count ballots that were indented because he could not determine the voters' intent."

~ Contrary to the arguments made by David Boies for the Gore campaign, Cook County Circuit Judge Francis Barth said, "I don't believe the fact that an impression standing alone counts necessarily that this voter intended then to vote."

~ Of the 27 disputed ballots the Illinois Supreme Court ordered Judge Barth to examine, he rejected nine dimpled ballots because, as he said, the dents were insufficient to prove the voter's intent. He rejected four others with pinholes that were mis-aligned, accepted three "hanging chads," in which the perforation was partially attached,
and approved five ballots punctured by pinholes. Six disputed ballots were withdrawn.

~ Michael Levelle, a Democrat lawyer representing the Republican candidate in Illinois, initially signed an affidavit on behalf of the Gore campaign saying to the best of his recollection, he believed Judge Barth counted indented ballots. But when later told that Judge Barth did not include dimpled ballots, Levelle recanted: "I couldn't remember details. The affidavit was more general than
specific."

Listen to an Ex Demoncrat:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=65000648

Finally, the last word:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55133-2000Nov23.html

Greg S. I kept it short..... ;)

Quote of the day:

IF YOU TORTURE A BALLOT LONG ENOUGH, IT WILL CONFESS.

Former Senator Alan Simpson, MSNBC, November 14, 2000
 
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