Does your glock have teeth?

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LawDog211

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I posted this in wrong area earlier so i moverd it here:

Anyone else here have that trouble with glocks, they bite the crap out of the web of my hand. When i went to glocks firearms instructor school i had so mny bandages and tape on my hands i couldnt hardly shoot by the end of the week.(this is the best school i ever attended by the way, if any LEOS every get the opportunity to go do it no matter if you are glockeisters or coltheads you will love the class)

Anyway i have tried everything to avoid the bite but have found no solutions yet.Strangly though the small glock 27's dont do this to me?
And any of you that are going to say something about glocks:Glocks are not my 1st choice of sidearms, but i am the firearms instructor for my PD and was tasked with the descision of what would be the 1st semi-auto ever issued at my PD, and glock's ease of transition handeling easy maintainence made it the 1st choice since i had officers who had never handled a semi-auto in thier life, thus i now carry one too, i dont complain the gun stands up well in weather and shoots dang good, but it freakin bites me, and only me, i have officers with hands 4x the size of mine and it dont bother them?
 
The Glock's grip is so wide and smooth, that it's hard to visualize how that bite could be happening. I've fired 60,000+ rounds through my three Glocks, and never a problem as you describe. I use AGrip on my Glocks, using it over Hogue Handalls on my G17 and G30; however, I never had the "biting" problem before AGrip. As a matter of fact, the only time I've ever heard of anything like that, was when novices put their weak-side thumb behind the slide. Since you're a firearms instructor, I'm sure that you're not doing that.

Like many 1911 shooters, I've had my Gold Cup bite me a couple of times, but never a Glock.
 
I've put several thousand rounds through my G21 and G19, and the only thing that they've ever done is go "BANG".

I also have a hard time visualizing how they could do that to your hand. Not doubting you at all, just can't picture it happening.
 
I have a G17 and G19. My hands are small. Never any problems with the slide cutting my hand. Everyone is different. The only pistol that slightly stung my hand was my little .25 Jetfire.
 
So here is the problem

The gun is duty issue, no choice in what i carry on duty,my grip onthe gun is mounted as far forward and up under the tail of the gun, I have small hands but they are thick in the web when it fires the slide scrapes the top of my hand at the web, it takes 50 or 60 rounds for the gun to cause a place bad enough to qualify as painfull, but when i shoot i tend to shoot 100-200 rounds a setting. I prefer to practice with the gun i have to carry so i am profecient with it, I was just wondering if anyone else had thsi happen to them.
 
Lawdog,

I realize that you can't do this on duty or walking on the street, but a solution to the problem during 200-round practice sessions might be to wear a shooting glove. Most well-equipped gun shops have them. They are typically an unlined leather glove, sometimes with elastic expansion gores on the back to keep them tight, and with the fingers cut off about halfway.

I don't use them for hammer bite, but when I'm shooting a couple of hundred rounds of hot .357 Mags through my 2-1/2-inch L-frame, they help.

They're not that expensive, and if all you need is something to protect your hands when you're firing more than 50 rounds, they might be the ticket.
 
I have to try really hard to get the web of my strong hand anywhere near the slide. Maybe you need to reassess your grip. My grip's nothing special or unusual, but the web of my hand is at least a 1/4" from the travel of the slide.
 
I can sympathize with you!

I've experienced this with both the P7, and the Glock. Both have a similar rear-end slide/tang profile. I will try to describe this as best as I can; but, forgive me if it's wordy.

Let's presume a strong-side holster with an FBI rake. With a traditional auto, I've always attained a firing grip in this manner: From a point somewhere in front of and above the rear of the gun, my hand would come downward on a diagonal path toward the gun butt. The web of my hand would make some contact with the back edge of the grip tang just as my palm heel contacted the lower edge of the backstrap or mainspring housing. Then, I would roll the lower three fingers around into place on the frontstrap. In doing so, the web of my thumb would be firmly wedged as far up and into that curved area as it could be. Some of that flesh would be protruding out, as I am sure it does for you.
On an S&W, CZ, Beretta, Sig and what not, this would not be a problem. There's more meat on the frame above the grip tang on those designs before you get to the bottom edge of the slide. On the P7 or Glock, this is not the case. That web would invariably get pinched.(With the 1911 pattern, I abosolutely needed a good beavertail to avoid any bite.)

Now, I've changed to more of a 'circle draw' method. The hand makes a sweep around the grip with the three lower support fingers being the first part to contact the grip. I wedge the second pad of my middle finger up under the trigger guard, my palm heel contacts the backstrap and the rest of lower thumb portion rolls on up into place. The difference is, the loose web is now safely tucked up into that protected area, out of harm's way. NO MORE BITE, and I'm very pleased with the G19 so far.:)
 
Have you thought of using a grip sleeve such as the Hogue Handall?? Just a thought. I really have no idea what is causing it. Does anyone else on the force have the same problem. If not, it might be that your hand just will not fit a Glock. I know, I have the same problem. I have small hands, and certain guns, like the G17 do not fit. I went with the G19, that has a smaller grip. Problem solved. :) In all honesty though, the only semi-auto that I have found that "fits" my hand, oddly enough, is the Makarov. Go figure!!!
Ergonomics is a strange beast. ;)
 
I had the same problem w/ a glock 19. The 19 is the only glock pistol that I have shot that does this. The 27 didn't nor the 36,30, or 26. I have no explanation for this except that I have alot of skin in the area of the web of my hand. I sold the 19 but am still alittle puzzled as to why it was only the model 19 that I had problems w/.
 
My G27 has some teeth. I shoot a Kimber Ultra Elite most of the time and have an ingrained habit of getting a high grip while shooting my 1911's. I continue the habit while shooting G27 and the slide wore my web out the 1st time I shot it. I shot the G27 yesterday and I put a band-aid on the web of my hand before shooting and I didn't have any problem. I also note that the perceived recoil was much less this time; I think I'm getting use to it. :)
 
Is this a new-style Glock? The change in the dimensions of the grip with the new-style frame gave me the same problem.

I went back to the original (non-finger groove) frame and the problem went away.
 
The problem may be that Glock changed the shape of the beavertail area on the new finger groove models. They changed it from a rounded tail to a more squared off tail. I just took a file and reshaped the squared off corners by rounding them off, then "faked" the stypling to match the rest. I also took off the middle fingergroove ridge, then (of course) wrapped the whole thing in Agrip. Problem(s) solved.
 
The only slide or hammer bite I have ever experienced was with EVERY Walther PPK that I have ever shot! And that has been a few!
 
If the bite is on the top of your strong hand next to the thumb, thats a GOOD thing!! Don't change anything!. You're high on the back strap where you should be; controlling the recoil. ( just be careful your not soo high you slow the slide movement) If it wasn't important to be high on the back strap, the 1911's wouldn't worry about the beaver tail.

EK
 
Yes. I got used to a very high right hand grip shooting 1911 type pistols with beavertail safeties. When switching to my Glocks, I often got bitten on the web between the thumb and forefinger.

I put a piece of adhesive tape there now before shooting a Glock.
 
LawDog211,

Ron Avery is going to be running a test on a customized Glock for my site. The modifications that he will be doing should totally solve your problem. We're going to try to get the test done within the next 60 days, so stay tuned.
 
Not sure if your rules allow it but I would get a 2nd generation glock frame and use it. The grip is not no sharp and the lack of the finger grooves allow more variation in grip. Since the frame is legally the gun I am not sure that your dept would allow it. If you send in the complete slide you can get glock to supply the secong generation frame, but it needs to be transfered thru an FFL to the dept / or someone.
 
LawDog211-

I have been shooting my 1911 quite a bit lately, to the exclusion of my other arms. When I took my old 23 to the range yesterday, I got bit as well. I have never had this problem before I started shooting 1911's.

I think that my "natural" grip has changed slightly to accomodate the 1911. Perhaps I have a higher grip than I used to when I shot the 23 all the time.

Do you shoot another gun on a regular basis? Do you think this could be part of the problem?
 
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