Does anyone here know about the ASPCA?

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The animal rights people, they seem to be way different than PETA. Does the ASPCA have anything against guns? I haven't been able to find any bad thing about them.
 
I had a quick look at their website.

Although they don't like hunting very much, gun control doesn't appear to be something they have an official position on.
 
As far as I know, they're still a animal welfare group and not an animal rights group.

Beware of HSUS (Human Society of the United States), though. They seem to have a strong anti-hunting agenda. I send their prepaid envelopes back empty, or sometimes with AARP litter.
 
Silver Bullet. Wrap a brick in brown paper, tape the prepaid envelope to it, and then send it to them.:)

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They are an upstanding group from what I know. Never heard anything about being anti gun. Much different then PETA. Simply there to prevent cruelty to animals.
 
In my neck of the wood they pretty much deal with illegal fighting-dog operations and "cat-lady" issues (10K cats in a tiny house).

They are pretty active in the civil courts as well as being a state-sponsored authority for some criminal prosecutions. I have never heard of them messing with sportsmen or anything else crazy like the HSUS geeks
 
I called them and actually they are very pro gun from what I can tell. They even said "We have our own police officers in New York, yes they carry guns, and we want them to, and btw, I like guns too" so I guess they are A-Ok in my book :)
 
Should be simple to decide if one thinks about it a minute. The best way to stop hunting is to get rid of guns don't you think?

ASPCA policy statement
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pp_wild_hunting

USSA antihunting discussion page
http://www.ussportsmen.org/pdfs/topantihuntinggroups.pdf#search="aspca hunting"

Some general references about HSUS, ASPCA, PETA, etc. (Mostly about HSUS) http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=156

SPCA legal awareness site
http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/mississippi_final.pdf?docID=8761#search="aspca guns hunting"

Discussion about halfway down the page about SPCA and Bass Pro Shop
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/ActionAlerts/Read.aspx?ID=341

1998 editorial about ASPCA moving toward animal rights activism
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/1998/000053.html

Animal Rights Net home page
http://www.animalrights.net/
 
I don't think we should think anti-hunting groups are a OK even if they are pro-gun if we give them too much and hunting is banned whats next? ban eating meat? In a situation like that I will have to get black market meat to survive. I can see it now SWAT officer on Texas swat: "We just busted a meth lab um now we are going to bust a meat lab to get as much meat off the streets as possible!"
 
I’ve watched them on TV on animal planet. From my understanding they are a sort of an LE for animal laws. For example if you leave you dog outside in freezing weather covered in their own feces and 1000 tics leaching off of it. Then they come and tell you to fix it. If you don’t they charge you with the local animal rights violation laws. Basically, they are there to enforce animal rights laws that are on the books. Nothing to do with someone’s radical views of what the ethical treatment of animals should be, just the basics of how to properly keep and treat an animal.
 
ASPCA is good people, just trying to ensure that people don't neglect or abuse animals. They are to PETA as your average beat cop is to ATF.
 
Omega Blood, let me give you two real life examples. I have a friend who was arrested by one of these folks. She has an indoor dog which goes outside about 10 minutes a day to relieve itself. She was arrested for "keeping a dog outside without an enclosed shelter" and had to go to court to defend herself. I have another friend who used to own a horse which was over 30 years old. He had one of these folks visit him wanting to charge him with not feeding it when the truth was he fed it as much as its old teeth could chew and its old body would tolerate. He couldn't talk his way out of it at first until he got some neighbors involved to talk to the "sort of an LE".

So people see the animal planet and say, gee thats a good idea giving law enforcement rights to people who really care. I say they are opening the door to fanaticism. What would you say if they gave me a uniform and a gun and allowed me to be "sort of an LE" for whatever laws interested me? Gee that is a scary thought. :eek:
 
M&M, I have no doubt that those things happend.
I was merley posting what I had seen on the show.
Since you think that it is a bad idea to have a "sort of LE" to enforce animal rights laws that are on the books, my question to you is what have you done to disolve this pseudo law enforcment agency?

Do I think it's a good idea or a bad one, I realy don't know.
Do you think if a regular city cop is charged with enforcing animal rights laws that they would do anything differntly?
 
I havent heard about them being anti-gun, i know they arent nearly as screwed up as PETA.

Theres a big stink going on in Texas now about the slaughter of horses for human consumption, it seems there are a couple of those said slaughter houses operating currently in Texas.

The report i saw on the news said they are killed by having a steel bolt driven thru the brain.

All of the meat(supposedly and hopefully) is being sent to Europe.

I will never eat another hamburger over there!
 
i believe they serve horse as steak?
i hate any group that trys to ban me from hunting. there are a lot of guys on here that don't hunt, and thats fine. for me hunting is about 95% of the reason that i own guns. i cant remember the last time ive shot clays, and the last time i punched paper was to sight in my new hunting rifle. the only gun that i have that i don't hunt with is my 45acp, but then again thats a lie. i have use it to shoot varmints on an occasion or two:D
 
my question to you is what have you done to disolve this pseudo law enforcment agency?
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I don't live in that jurisdiction. In my county they have a real LEO assigned to that job and the purpose of the county animal shelter is to stop the spread of rabies. There is a big philosophical difference between my county and the one which has the abusive practices. The county where the events occurred also has a record of the real police making public statements to the effect that citizens shouldn't own AK-47s, and a record of 2 senior police officials who have been arrested for child pornography so I try to stay out of the way of their loose cannons.

Let me restate what I said in the previous post. "So people see the animal planet and say, gee thats a good idea giving law enforcement rights to people who really care. I say they are opening the door to fanaticism."
 
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They are to PETA as your average beat cop is to ATF.
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Omega Blood, let me give you two real life examples. I have a friend who was arrested by one of these folks. She has an indoor dog which goes outside about 10 minutes a day to relieve itself. She was arrested for "keeping a dog outside without an enclosed shelter" and had to go to court to defend herself. I have another friend who used to own a horse which was over 30 years old. He had one of these folks visit him wanting to charge him with not feeding it when the truth was he fed it as much as its old teeth could chew and its old body would tolerate. He couldn't talk his way out of it at first until he got some neighbors involved to talk to the "sort of an LE".
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Actually, around here the local Humane Society (not sure about their affiliation to ASPCA) are far WORSE than the JBTs of the ATF. I had a dog "escape" (We had a wicked wind storm---70 mph winds---that blew down a piece of my stockage fence.) and got picked up by someone down the road. She had of course, gotten into everything nasty that she could, and beside that was shedding like crazy. You guessed it, the "Good Samaritan" blew me in to the Humane Society. They came by, and I let them look at all my dogs (but told them they couldn't come in without a warrant) and they decided that 1 (out of 3) was malnourished and "too skinny". Now, I've bred and trained German Shepherds for years, and I always keep them lean, as one of the big problems with many dogs today is overweight. Plus, this dog is 11 years old and has some health problems. But, even though she weighs 48 lbs. she gets as much food as my 111 lb. male. So, now their accusing me of feeding 2 dogs, but starving the 3rd. Whisky Tango Foxtrot? They also told me that I didn't have appropriate "shelter" for the dogs, and could only leave them out 10 minutes at a time (even though when the one female escaped it was 70 degrees out---and these dogs don't care about the weather---Had a male that died recently that used to LIKE thunderstorms, he'd whine until I let him out--then he'd go sit in the middle of the backyard!)

In short, I had to take the "sickly" dog to the vet (for no good reason).... and get her to sign off on the citation. and the "Gestapo" still showed up several more times to "check on the dogs". By that time I KNEW my rights, and pretty much told them to F off....Even got into a shouting match with the "officer" (She had been "trained"-she said- all about dogs---then I mentioned that I had actually "trained" to become a vet, and worked in a vet office, before I decided I didn't like it. Finally shut her up.)
 
My understanding is that the USSPCA is the rabid dog (pun intended) about hunting/gun control. As to the ASPCA and law enforcement... there are abuses and idiots in every organization. Cops who 'enforce' laws which do not exist, federal agents run amok, teachers/professors teaching blatently wrong information, mall security dudes who think that their SWAT, Child Protective Services officers who take children away from parents because they can, mayors who declare 'martial law' without the authority to do so and order the confiscation of private property, and on, and on, and on. My experiance with ASPCA has been very good. They have addressed flagrent animal abuse situations with local law enforcement, located and reunited pets with owners after evacuations due to forest fires and help with adoptions from the shelters. Why NY supposedly allows animal welfare "LEO's" to have arrest authority and carry firearms... well... it's NY. Vote the bums out of Albany and vote in some sensible people to change the laws.

Yeah, like that's ever going to happen.:rolleyes:
 
Cowboy, you make it sound as if the door to fanaticism is and has been wide open.
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Well, duh! :rolleyes: :)

My point is that there are a LOT of very good LEO's, and a few idiot LEO's out there of whom we always hear. I have encountered a Conn PD officer who told me that he would arrest anyone in Conn who was carrying openly in Conn (which is legal, supposedly) while holding a CCW permit because he didn't like it (and if he could that he would arrest anyone in Wyoming for the same!!!:eek: ). That's wrong. I am aware of two FAA inspectors who grounded Bob Hoover, argueably the best pilot in the world, based on their own public statement, "because we could". That's wrong. I have talked with a DEA agent who felt that the "War on Drugs" was too soft and that they should "step things up" in ways which, at best, were questionable. That's wrong. Idiots are everywhere and we must do all that we may in order to stop them. Did any OTHER Mayor in the Gulf Coast area declare Martal Law? Did any other Mayor demand the unlawful disarming for the law abiding? And THEN the good citizens of New Orleans RE-ELECTED the son-of..., Bast..., ah... Mayor. The worst of a situation will bring out either the best or the worst in any person. We MUST stop the wrongs and right them. Demand the best of all of those in authority and oust those who abuse their position. Corupt politician, recall or do not re-elect, corupt Chief of Police, demand their termination, corupt police officer, call for an investigation and criminal charges, corupt judge, get them impeached and removed from the bench. It's up to us to hold people accountable for their actions.
 
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