A LOCAL DEALER IS SELLING NEW S&W 9M.M. SIGMAS FOR A VERY APPEALING PRICE. I AM CONDERING BUYING AT LEAST ONE. I HAVE OTHER S&W AUTOS, WHICH I LIKE, BUT HAVE NO KNOWLEDG OF THE SIGMA. HE ALSO HAS THE .380 AND THE .40 AT GOOD PRICES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD REAL FIELD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS GUN.
Does Anyone Have Any Opinion About The S&w Sigma 9m.m. ?
- Thread starter MR.G
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for what it's worth,
my local PD rangemaster made this statement, "I've never seen a Smith & Wesson Sigma in any caliber that completed the basic
qualification course without a jam, or failure to feed or extract".
Another PD part-time rangemaster said, " I'd rather have a Ruger,
than a Sigma; at least the bottom line Ruger's are dependable".
So, with those comment's go figure. These gentlemen should be
"in the know" as different agencies use this range basically
everyday for qualification's of some sort.
Personally, I've never owned or shot the Sigma series; so I will
defer to those member's who have.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
my local PD rangemaster made this statement, "I've never seen a Smith & Wesson Sigma in any caliber that completed the basic
qualification course without a jam, or failure to feed or extract".
Another PD part-time rangemaster said, " I'd rather have a Ruger,
than a Sigma; at least the bottom line Ruger's are dependable".
So, with those comment's go figure. These gentlemen should be
"in the know" as different agencies use this range basically
everyday for qualification's of some sort.
Personally, I've never owned or shot the Sigma series; so I will
defer to those member's who have.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
As stated in the previous post, the 9 and .40 Sigmas have a questionable reputation.
There is no question about the .380 model. A complete piece of fecal material. Lady friend had one and the mag would pop out every shot and then every third shot or so would be a fail to eject. She traded for a Kahr as I recall. Have never heard of one of these pistols functioning well.
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There is no question about the .380 model. A complete piece of fecal material. Lady friend had one and the mag would pop out every shot and then every third shot or so would be a fail to eject. She traded for a Kahr as I recall. Have never heard of one of these pistols functioning well.
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Master Blaster
New member
I had a first generation Sigma .40v for 2 years. I sold it because the trigger sucks and it had a rough bore which picked up copper fouling.
Mine was 100% reliable with the 1000 rounds I put through it.
I had a hard time hitting with it because of the terrible trigger.
Save your money and buy a glock, while the trigger still sucks (compared to a 1911 or revolver) its much better than the S&W.
Mine was 100% reliable with the 1000 rounds I put through it.
I had a hard time hitting with it because of the terrible trigger.
Save your money and buy a glock, while the trigger still sucks (compared to a 1911 or revolver) its much better than the S&W.
I shot a .40 owned by someone I met at the range in early 2000. I was surprised. The recoil was very light for a .40 and it seemed to be reasonably accurate. Trigger was pretty good too. I only ran 10 rounds through it so I don't know in the long haul if it is reliable. From what I've heard on this board, they are iffy.
Mr.G.... My experience mirrors Master Blaster above. So far, my 40v has been stone reliable, fits my hand well, points naturally but my what a lousy (heavy, requires variable pressure) trigger. I just can't hit *&%t with it, especiallt follow up shots, but I haven't parted with it yet. I write it off as a newbie mistake. Keep looking and reading this board. There are many, many better handguns out there. Patience, good shootin', dog.
Mine was a mistake, too...
It was my first handgun, a Sigma .40 VE. Bought it primarily because of the low price, I didn't want to make an EXPENSIVE mistake. It was fairly reliable for the first 600 rounds or so, with only a few failures to feed in the first couple hundred rounds. I could live with the trigger, actually got pretty accurate with it, but it never felt good. The gun fit my hand well with a Pachmayr rubber slip-on grip, and the recoil was not bad at all. But then it started to have extraction failures, & when it did extract it would often stovepipe or throw the brass in my face. In the mean time, I had been exposed to a number of fine weapons by other shooters, & realized that I could have done better on my first purchase, even at the low price.
I now own a CZ-75B in 9mm that is a tack-driver, has a nice trigger and cost me less new than the Sigma did. I also bought a
Hi-Power (used, from AIM Surplus) that has an even better trigger and is darn near as accurate. Both have been extremely reliable and fun to shoot. FWIW, I'd pass on the Sigma. There are far better guns to be had for pretty near the same price.
Good luck & good shooting!
It was my first handgun, a Sigma .40 VE. Bought it primarily because of the low price, I didn't want to make an EXPENSIVE mistake. It was fairly reliable for the first 600 rounds or so, with only a few failures to feed in the first couple hundred rounds. I could live with the trigger, actually got pretty accurate with it, but it never felt good. The gun fit my hand well with a Pachmayr rubber slip-on grip, and the recoil was not bad at all. But then it started to have extraction failures, & when it did extract it would often stovepipe or throw the brass in my face. In the mean time, I had been exposed to a number of fine weapons by other shooters, & realized that I could have done better on my first purchase, even at the low price.
I now own a CZ-75B in 9mm that is a tack-driver, has a nice trigger and cost me less new than the Sigma did. I also bought a
Hi-Power (used, from AIM Surplus) that has an even better trigger and is darn near as accurate. Both have been extremely reliable and fun to shoot. FWIW, I'd pass on the Sigma. There are far better guns to be had for pretty near the same price.
Good luck & good shooting!
E. BeauBeaux
New member
For me the boycott continue's, I don't care how cheap they get.
neil pilling
New member
I have to agree w/ Ala Dan. I have not seen a single Sigma that had a decent trigger and could called accurate.
The Sigma seems to be a compromise. You either get the good trigger or the accuracy.
I usually don't do this but; "DO NOT BUY THE SIGMA IN ANY CALIBER."
I have had excellent luck w/ the closely priced Ruger P-95DC. I have carried this pistol on duty and would do so again.
I hope this helps
Good shooting
The Sigma seems to be a compromise. You either get the good trigger or the accuracy.
I usually don't do this but; "DO NOT BUY THE SIGMA IN ANY CALIBER."
I have had excellent luck w/ the closely priced Ruger P-95DC. I have carried this pistol on duty and would do so again.
I hope this helps
Good shooting
I don't like them and I would not buy one regardless of how cheap they get. I have had them on the range during LEO qualifications and they aren't relaible. Get a Glock and avoid the grief, of trying to unload the smegma when you finally realize what a POS it really is.
Also I agree with the boycott, but the Sigma was a POS even before the sellout by Smith $ Wesson...
7th
Also I agree with the boycott, but the Sigma was a POS even before the sellout by Smith $ Wesson...
7th
OkieCruffler
New member
380
I have one of the Sigma .380's in my .380 collection (hey we all collect something). I rank it only slightly above my Bersa Thunder that keeps shooting its slide back at me, and slightly below my Davis P-380 which shouldn't need any explaination. I'm sitting here trying to think of something possitive to say about the Sigma, but I can't come up with anything. BAd trigger, bad mag, terrible accuracy.
I have one of the Sigma .380's in my .380 collection (hey we all collect something). I rank it only slightly above my Bersa Thunder that keeps shooting its slide back at me, and slightly below my Davis P-380 which shouldn't need any explaination. I'm sitting here trying to think of something possitive to say about the Sigma, but I can't come up with anything. BAd trigger, bad mag, terrible accuracy.
don't shoot it's me
New member
crapola....
Funny how subjective recoil is from one person to the next.
I went shooting with some friends, one had just bought a Sigma in .40. Now, I have always owned .40's and .45's, and we were shooting my USP45 as well... That Sigma kicked like a MULE!!! Worst recoil I have ever experienced in my LIFE! That was the only time my hand ever actually hurt from shooting a pistol.
Oh yeah, and the trigger DID $uck, and it was VERY inaccurate, but MAN did it kick! No jams though.
I'd say put that money down on a Glock 19, or any of the other wonderful suggestions on here....
Just say NO!!
I went shooting with some friends, one had just bought a Sigma in .40. Now, I have always owned .40's and .45's, and we were shooting my USP45 as well... That Sigma kicked like a MULE!!! Worst recoil I have ever experienced in my LIFE! That was the only time my hand ever actually hurt from shooting a pistol.
Oh yeah, and the trigger DID $uck, and it was VERY inaccurate, but MAN did it kick! No jams though.
I'd say put that money down on a Glock 19, or any of the other wonderful suggestions on here....
Just say NO!!
If you can't afford a Jennings, Raven or Bryco; a good kife might be a better choice than a Sigma. I love many of their products but the Sigma isn't on my list.
Just in case you want to read the "Agreement"....here is the unabridged version.
http://www.nraila.org/FactSheets.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=31&1=View
Long but veeery informative.
A while back one of the distributors was tryin to unload some to dealers at well below distributor cost. Can't find the flyer so don't have numbers.
Sam
Just in case you want to read the "Agreement"....here is the unabridged version.
http://www.nraila.org/FactSheets.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=31&1=View
Long but veeery informative.
A while back one of the distributors was tryin to unload some to dealers at well below distributor cost. Can't find the flyer so don't have numbers.
Sam
I have two 9mm Sigma's and haven't had any problems with them. Both are used as training guns and have had 1000's of rounds through them without any undue problems. The students like using them and a few have even brought Simga's afterwards, but again they were also 9mm.
I do know of a couple of people who had .40cal and DID have a heap of problems with them. One even getting the gun replaced. Heard lots of bad things about the .40's and .380.
Sigma 9mm is OK.
I do know of a couple of people who had .40cal and DID have a heap of problems with them. One even getting the gun replaced. Heard lots of bad things about the .40's and .380.
Sigma 9mm is OK.
Rainbow Six
New member
Asking if anyone "has an opinion" on anything in an internet forum is sort of like walking into a strip club and asking if anybody likes naked chicks!! 
FWIW, a local PD had Sigma's. Very few officers liked them at all judging by the comments I heard. I think they had .40's. They just recently traded them in on G22's. Smart move... I think the shop that got them sold them for $150 to local LE that were interested. I still didn't buy one.
As for the Agreement, I have to suggest that you read the information at the link posted by C.R.Sam before buying a "new" S&W of any kind. As he said, it's a long read but it will make you think twice before buying a new S&W. I had withdrawn from the boycott thinking that it had run it's course. I'm still working on reading the whole thing between court, duty and sleep but as you can see I have already seen and re-realized enough that I wouldn't suggest buying a new S&W before at least reading this info.
Just looking down near the bottom and seeing that SMITH & WESSON is the sole manufacturer that is a party to the agreement really puts the "Kill the Agreement or DIE" arguement into a new perspective for me. I mean, we all know that S&W was the only one to sign it, but seeing their name along with all "the others" in the "parties to the agreement" list really opened my eyes. Mine was a case of "Yeah, yeah, I know but...hey, wait a minute... I didn't realize that!
Crow ain't so bad if you hold your nose!!!
R6
FWIW, a local PD had Sigma's. Very few officers liked them at all judging by the comments I heard. I think they had .40's. They just recently traded them in on G22's. Smart move... I think the shop that got them sold them for $150 to local LE that were interested. I still didn't buy one.
As for the Agreement, I have to suggest that you read the information at the link posted by C.R.Sam before buying a "new" S&W of any kind. As he said, it's a long read but it will make you think twice before buying a new S&W. I had withdrawn from the boycott thinking that it had run it's course. I'm still working on reading the whole thing between court, duty and sleep but as you can see I have already seen and re-realized enough that I wouldn't suggest buying a new S&W before at least reading this info.
Just looking down near the bottom and seeing that SMITH & WESSON is the sole manufacturer that is a party to the agreement really puts the "Kill the Agreement or DIE" arguement into a new perspective for me. I mean, we all know that S&W was the only one to sign it, but seeing their name along with all "the others" in the "parties to the agreement" list really opened my eyes. Mine was a case of "Yeah, yeah, I know but...hey, wait a minute... I didn't realize that!
Crow ain't so bad if you hold your nose!!!
R6
You are going to find about a zillion opinions on this. Most of them unfavorable. It seems, as far as I have been able to tell from the postings that I have read, that the quality of these pistols is somewhat of a crap shoot. People chime in saying that their Sigma is the greatest thing since sliced bread, others say it is little more than dog doo doo. I steared away from it for that very reason. I know that it takes some time for bugs to work themselves out of a new design, but o'l Slick&Willy has had ample time to do just that!!!!! Re-engineering to correct faults in a design, or just add steps to improve quality costs big bucks. Bucks that S&W doesn't have right now, and is not likely to have in the forseeable future. I would steer clear of it!!!! S&W is now "owned" by a local AZ company now. It is my understanding that they plan to honor the "agreement". For that, they must die!!!!