I'm giving myself the fits trying to get 17hmr to group constantly. Seems that when shooting 5 shot groups there's at least one flier. I have 2 Savage B17 rifles one heavy barrel, one sporter. My son, girlfriend and her daughter have different heavy barrel versions of the Savage 93r17. Generally theirs print a little better than my B17s. The 93r17s get about 1/2" groups @ 50 yards and the B17s about 3/4". That's not including the fliers. Fliers are often half inch to an inch away from the group. We've tried every non-winchester boxing of vmax and hollowpoints available and just when we get a good group and think we're onto something, we're back to where we started. I love the caliber but it's driving me crazy trying to get any consistency out it. Bottom line is I'm wondering if this is normal for the caliber or is there something I need to do differently?