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Miss Demeanors

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I have been in an email 'discussion' about guns with a friend for a few days now.
A few weeks ago it was another friend trying to convince me I am brainwashed,
two weeks ago my Mom telling me guns are evil , now this.
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I have
noticed in all the arguments they all say the SAME things, they can never
really prove their point. I answer back and it seems they ask me yet the
exact same question that I just answered. Do they realize they are not making
a case? Anyway, here is parts of the email bewtween my friend and I. Notice it's
the same arguments we hear everyday from other anti's. (My words are in bold).


<you say the NRA is composed of amereican people, why is it that the only
names I ever hear are Charton Heston and Wayne Pierre [?] ?

I guess you can say the people silently speak through donations and signing
petitions. I agree that those are the two main names we hear, the people should
speak out more.

<You say you want to protect your child by killing..I want to protect my
child from killing himself by means of more gun control

Not true, I never said I wanted to kill anyone! In fact I pray I NEVER
have to kill. If my daughters life is being threatned and shooting the bg
is my only option to save her life, then yes I would kill to protect my
daughter. Would you not do the same for your son? Remember, you have NO other
option if you do not shoot, your son will die, if you do shoot you son will
be safe and alive. More gun control could make a situation like that even
more dangerous. For instance, trigger locks, say you have approx 10 seconds
before a BG gets up the stairs and to your room. You go for your gun, pop
the magazine in and your ready to protect yourself and your family. Now
if you were in that same situation but a trigger lock was used, you can deduct
8-9 seconds (maybe even more) from that 10 to get the lock off. By then the BG has already
made his way to your room and grabs the gun that you haven't loaded yet
because you were too busy taking that lock off. Your dead thanks to that
trigger lock. In situations like that your life is riding on time and you
don't have much of it.

<I think I would be afraid the gun would go off and someone gets hurt or
worse killed

The gun will never just 'go off'. How many times has your husbands
electric saw just 'gone off'? Same thing , all tools require someone to
operate them.

<just don't get too involved with those gun wackoes remember your daughter
comes first. :-)

Yes my daughter ALWAYS comes first, that is the reason I will do anything
to protect her. Please don't use the term 'gun wackos', I take offense to
that labeling. I know alot of good people that happen to own guns and they are
normal, family orientated , loving people who want to protect their families
and their children just as you and I want. I could call you a sheeple but I won't :-)

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I love the part about how a gun might just 'go off'
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Where do they get
this from? Has ANYONE died or been hurt because a gun just 'went off'? I
think that is the silliest argument. These people make me want to buy stock
in Advil
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I have said many times that the very FIRST TIME that I ever see a gun leap from a resting place and shoot someone, that I'll become a lifelong ANTI-GUNNER.

So far, the percenatge (0%) seems to be holding...

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"<You say you want to protect your child by ..."

I do not need to complete your comment...

I would ask her.....what mother would NOT protect her child?? by any means possible...??
I have never met one...
and I have met those mothers that have ripped a door-jam off thier house to beat off a dog (both human & animal) from their child... so I ask... what is different about the tool used to defend a loved one??

many years ago, my brother and I had this same discussion . Neither of us had kids yet... He stated that he would not resist under any circumstances.... even if it meant his life and those of his family (we are Friends by religion BTW).,.. it is not 20 years later and he has two kids..... and would sooner rip your head off at the slightest infraction against his kids ---- including using a gun!!! MY... what a different age makes on the mind......

hang in there kid.... they are not worth getting grey hair over.....or as an old mentor of mine once mused (he was a WWII/Korean vet) " never try to teach a pig to sing... it frustrates you and pisses off the pig"

[This message has been edited by CHEMNCO917 (edited April 19, 2000).]
 
dennis.. you are right... I will join you if that ever happens....
 
I have notice similar things when debating liberals on line especially during an election cycle or the impeachment hearings.

What ever the latest spin of the day, produced by the president or liberals in the press, is what you would encounter 90% of the time on line that night.

Its as though they only know what they hear and don’t want to think any deeper than that.

As far as the argument goes you will be killing. I spent 6 1/2 years in the army in combat arms jobs. We trained to kill constantly, new weapons and tactics, day or night, rain snow or sun shine. But we never really wanted to go to war. But the best way to prevent something is to prepare against it. While preparation is not prevention in its self it does have that effect. That way if you are ever called on to defend your self or family you know what to do and the right way to do it with out placing unnecessary risk on your self or those you want to protect.

Fear on an inanimate object especially a gun is a greater danger than a healthy respect for a firearm and a understanding of its proper use. The first might get you killed out of ignorance while the second might save your life.

We carried machine guns (M-16, M-60 and .50 Cal) we had surface to air missiles and not once did I ever just see a weapon "go off by its self" (I have seen a few fail to though)

Nor have I ever had an urge to squeeze of a few rounds unless I was at a range and the range was "hot"

Chalk it up to a lack of understanding on their part and the need for education on the topic.


[This message has been edited by Alan B (edited April 19, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yes my daughter ALWAYS comes first, that is the reason I will do anything to protect her. Please don't use the term 'gun wackos', I take offense to that labeling. I know alot of good people that happen to own guns and they are normal, family orientated , loving people who want to protect their families and their children just as you and I want. I could call you a sheeple but I won't :-)[/quote]

ROTFLMBO.

That's our Miss D. What would Rosie O'Donnell think of her now?

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LawDog
 
Miss D, I hope this nut case isn't anyone I know. They are illogical and unreasonable. You have little to ZERO chance in them learning anything. If you told them more children were killed by airbags in cars than by guns in school since 1993 they would call you a liar and would not believe that they were wrong even if you showed it to them. You were there about a year ago if I remember correctly. Spouting the 'facts' (and I use the term VERY loosely) from HCI, VPC, PAX, Bell, and anyone else you could find. People see it, hear it, and assume it is correct without checking for the truth. You were the exception to the rule I promise you. Most stick their heads in the sand so they don't have to hear the truth.

About the statement: <You say you want to protect your child by killing..I want to protect my child from killing himself by means of more gun control> This is the first time I ever heard a parent promote gun control as suicide prevention for their own child.

Your daughter could do a whole lot worse than to get involved with gun people. People who were taught proper respect and use of firearms as children have lower incidents of teenage pregnancy, teenage alcohol use, drug abuse, and cigarette smoking. They even seem to get better grades. She could do worse.
 
Unfortunately, the line about a gun "going off" has been perpetrated by gun owners themselves - the irresponsible ones, that is. How many times have you heard it on the news? A guy shoots his wife, mother, friend, whatever, and the excuse is always the same: "I was cleaning the gun and it just went off". Of course we know that's a lie. It's also one of the few statements made by a gun owner that the media will print verbatim. What's to be done?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alan B:


What ever the latest spin of the day, produced by the president or liberals in the press, is what you would encounter 90% of the time on line that night.
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Yeppers! They are so brainwashed into believing complete BS. Just keep that in mind. That's why they all are spewing sh!t out of their mouths
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[This message has been edited by ArmySon (edited April 19, 2000).]
 
MissD,
To answer your question,
"No.
The ones I run into seem to be incapable of original thought.

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Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
 
Lawdog......give me one hour and a box of ring dings and I'll glady 'splain things to ole Rosie
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OTMG.....Yes about a year ago I was saying similar things, although I don't think I ever believed a gun would just go off. I wish those threads at Acme were still there, I would love to hear what a moron I sounded like
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Now here is a question I'm not sure how to answer besides quoting the second....what do you say when somone brings up the fact that anyone can buy a gun by an unliscensed dealer at a gun show with no background check? This one was brought up last night by the 'spouse' after he read something probably about Columbine (I'd imagine something similar to what George posted). Why is that no one will leave me alone with this topic? Everywhere I go I hear something. I don't mind the emails because I can answer when I feel like it, but IRL it's starting to make my head spin. There are just some times I really don't want to talk about this but people just keep bugging me about. Sometimes I try to ignore it but when someone keeps at it for a certain amount of time I can't help but to argue back. Then God forbid I make one little mistake or I am not in the highest of spirits its because "the brainwashing has effected my brain"
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When I hear the word 'brainwashed' it makes me think of a lab where one is held down with steel straps and a small computer chip is injected in the brain
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People are telling me I am living in the early 1800's.?? Obvioulsy they have no regards to American history. It's really becoming quite annoying. So if you don't hear from me, I'll be in the mental health institution
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[This message has been edited by Miss Demeanors (edited April 20, 2000).]
 
Miss D...

As you become more and more educated regarding the truth about guns and gun ownership, and freedom, you will notice that something keeps kicking you to pay attention to what these characters are mouthing. The kicking will remind you that it isn't you that have been brainwashed...but a large number of Americans, like these characters.

This "indoctrination" can be traced back to early childhood development (yes parents), the lavishly leftist corrupted public school system, peer pressure, years and years of mind numbing media propaganda, and of course those dweebs we call our civil servants.
 
You said:
what do you say when somone brings up the fact that anyone can buy a gun by an unliscensed dealer at a gun show with no background check?

Legally there is no such thing as an 'unlicensed dealer'. The GCA '68 defines what a 'dealer in firearms' is and to legally conduct that activity requires a FFL. If a person is dealing without a license (an 'unlicensed dealer') at a gun show or out of the back of their car, they are committing a felony. An individual IS allowed to sell personal firearms legally at a gun show, over the internet, at a garage sale, or through the newspaper. An individual is not permitted to traffic in firearms in interstate commerce, that requires a 'dealer' to handle the transaction. An individual sale must still follow all state regulations pertaining to firearms, but the federal govt is only permitted regulation of firearms because they are transported in interstate commerce otherwise the feds have no jurisdiction, except where federally restricted firearms are concerned. Private sales conducted between two people, each of whom may legally own a firearm and reside in the same state does not require a license. If any conditions of legality are not met, the sale would be illegal, but we already have laws for that. Selling at gun shows is the same as advertising in the newpaper and selling it to someone who calls.
 
And if that's not enough...

Explain the option to them. They can make background checks mandatory for everyone who sells a gun anywhere. What happens is that you create the following situation. A 70 year-old man decides to sell his old gun to a 50 year-old neighbor who has admired it for a while. He gives his neighbor the gun, and the neighbor hands him some cash. Now they're both felons. Was a single crime prevented? Was a life saved? Could these two quiet neighbors who would never hurt anyone be sent to jail for 5 years? How will this improve our society?
 
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