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BrianBeretta
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I just wondered if glocks, becasue they often weigh less per caliber, if they often have more felt recoil?
Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
Glock recoil, polymer frame ...
Actually, just the opposite is true. The polymer frame, while light in weight, helps absorb recoil, thereby decreasing what some call "felt recoil."
This is especially true with heavy recoilers, like the hotter loadings in 10mm Auto or in +P .45acp. Those who've shot a Colt Delta Elite and a G-20 side by side claim more recoil is apparent in the all-steel DE - not necessarily "unmanagable" by any means, but it's there nonetheless.
Actually, just the opposite is true. The polymer frame, while light in weight, helps absorb recoil, thereby decreasing what some call "felt recoil."
This is especially true with heavy recoilers, like the hotter loadings in 10mm Auto or in +P .45acp. Those who've shot a Colt Delta Elite and a G-20 side by side claim more recoil is apparent in the all-steel DE - not necessarily "unmanagable" by any means, but it's there nonetheless.
Appears as if we have some specultaors.
Several rules with recoil.
Lower pressure rounds recoil less.
Heavier springed guns transfer less felt recoil to most shooters.
Heavy all metal guns like the Beretta 92 and a Colt Commander absorb recoil well. That's why wheelgun shooters like myslef love the huge SW N-frames for 44 mag. The massive frame and weights absorbs the recoil.
And polymer guns with adequate recoil springs and generous backstraps absorb recoil very well. That's why Glocks are so popular with small handed and lady shooters - the recoil absorption benefit.
I don't think some of you guys have ever shot a Glock.
I have a Glock 20 in 10mm that recoils less and is a softer shooter than many 45 ACP guns like my buddies' HK USP 45 Compact, my buddies Colt and Kimber 1911s, and the like.
Or try shooting a Glock 32 in 357 SIG with some smokin 1500 fps rounds in it and then try those rounds in a Sig P229. And then tell me which absorbs recoil the best. I already know. That's why Glock has the high pressure 10mm, 40SW, and 357 SIG markets wrapped up.
Its how the gun system works. Not just the frame but the materials, springs, the bore axis, how low the bore is to the frame, the weight of the slide compared to the total weight of the gun, fixed or pinned barrel or losse barrel, tightness of the barrel, and the slide assembly.
I'd advise picking up a Glock and shooting one before commenting.
FTR - my 9mm Glocks feel like shooting .22lr Minimags in my 9mm Glocks. That's how good the recoil absorption is.
Several rules with recoil.
Lower pressure rounds recoil less.
Heavier springed guns transfer less felt recoil to most shooters.
Heavy all metal guns like the Beretta 92 and a Colt Commander absorb recoil well. That's why wheelgun shooters like myslef love the huge SW N-frames for 44 mag. The massive frame and weights absorbs the recoil.
And polymer guns with adequate recoil springs and generous backstraps absorb recoil very well. That's why Glocks are so popular with small handed and lady shooters - the recoil absorption benefit.
I don't think some of you guys have ever shot a Glock.
I have a Glock 20 in 10mm that recoils less and is a softer shooter than many 45 ACP guns like my buddies' HK USP 45 Compact, my buddies Colt and Kimber 1911s, and the like.
Or try shooting a Glock 32 in 357 SIG with some smokin 1500 fps rounds in it and then try those rounds in a Sig P229. And then tell me which absorbs recoil the best. I already know. That's why Glock has the high pressure 10mm, 40SW, and 357 SIG markets wrapped up.
Its how the gun system works. Not just the frame but the materials, springs, the bore axis, how low the bore is to the frame, the weight of the slide compared to the total weight of the gun, fixed or pinned barrel or losse barrel, tightness of the barrel, and the slide assembly.
I'd advise picking up a Glock and shooting one before commenting.
FTR - my 9mm Glocks feel like shooting .22lr Minimags in my 9mm Glocks. That's how good the recoil absorption is.
I know the 9mm is not considered a high recoil caliber by any means, but I swear with my CZ75 (soft shooting all steel full size/weight) and a glock 19, the 19 had less muzzle flip and fell back on target faster - for me. And this with me owning a CZ75 and just renting a g19!
Must be the frame flex and low bore that has that effect. In fact, the G26 was about as controlable as my CZ75.
Cedric
Must be the frame flex and low bore that has that effect. In fact, the G26 was about as controlable as my CZ75.
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BrianBeretta
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which would recoil more
A glock 17 or a beretta 92, i know this can be subjective but which do you feel recoils less?
A glock 17 or a beretta 92, i know this can be subjective but which do you feel recoils less?
lonegunman
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I agree that the polymer Glock frame helps absorb recoil. Glocks recoil less to me also, though the difference is not huge.
As for the G17 or Beretta 92 recoil issue, neither of these guns recoils enough to matter.
As for the G17 or Beretta 92 recoil issue, neither of these guns recoils enough to matter.
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... Lonegunman. Considering the 9mm in the size of the guns you're asking about, there's not enough of a "recoil-impulse" to really matter.
"A glock 17 or a beretta 92 ***[which] recoils less?"
Well, assuming the slide stayed on the Beretta (
), the G-17 would probably have less felt-recoil if you shot both using the same ammo.
... Lonegunman. Considering the 9mm in the size of the guns you're asking about, there's not enough of a "recoil-impulse" to really matter.
"A glock 17 or a beretta 92 ***[which] recoils less?"
Well, assuming the slide stayed on the Beretta (
), the G-17 would probably have less felt-recoil if you shot both using the same ammo.What I have noticed with my Glocks, is that with the 40 S&W I tend to have a bit more muzzle flip than I do with a comparable 1911.
I took my Glock 35 that I'm using for IPSC Limited 10 competition and I added a tungsten guide rod and also a 5.5 ounce brass magazine well. Once that was done the muzzle flip disappeared. Now if only the trigger could be more like a 1911...
I took my Glock 35 that I'm using for IPSC Limited 10 competition and I added a tungsten guide rod and also a 5.5 ounce brass magazine well. Once that was done the muzzle flip disappeared. Now if only the trigger could be more like a 1911...
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...a couple of things in their favor in the felt recoil department. First, they have a very low bore axis, which reduces muzzle flip and the associated unpleasant torqueing effect of the gun in your hand. They also have broad backstraps, which spreads the recoil over a large area of your palm. Lastly, though I'm not entirely convinced of its' veracity, is the alleged "shock absorbing effect" of the flexing polymer frame.
I know this much; the G29 10mm and the G33 .357SIG are two of the smallest and lightest pistols in their respective calibers, but both are suprisingly comfortable and controllable.
...a couple of things in their favor in the felt recoil department. First, they have a very low bore axis, which reduces muzzle flip and the associated unpleasant torqueing effect of the gun in your hand. They also have broad backstraps, which spreads the recoil over a large area of your palm. Lastly, though I'm not entirely convinced of its' veracity, is the alleged "shock absorbing effect" of the flexing polymer frame.
I know this much; the G29 10mm and the G33 .357SIG are two of the smallest and lightest pistols in their respective calibers, but both are suprisingly comfortable and controllable.
bad_dad_brad
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It is sure great to have the Firing Line back up!
I have a G17 and G19. I can only compare them to the other guns I own. A Kahr MK9, a Ruger SP101 in .38+p, a Jetfire in .25, and a Keltec P32.
The G17 is a joy to shoot. Just like a .22 plinker. Really a fine gun, a joy to take to the range. The G19 is about the same. The MK9 has a sharp kick to it. The SP101 with .38+P kicks hard, can't imagine shooting a .357 snubbie. The Jetfire has almost no recoil, such a cute little guy, totally underpowered, but cute. The P32 snaps pretty good.
I used to want a BHP but the G17 and G19 have become almost an extension of my hand, and when I pick up any other full or medium framed .9mm, they feel alien. Except for that new Springfield Armory XD (Croatian HS200). But, of course it is pretty Glock like. I liked that pistol, but I thought the grip safety was a bit much. I have never seen any point to having a grip safety. The XD was cheap (400) and I might have bought it without that
grip safety which was probably just a marketing gimic.
I have a G17 and G19. I can only compare them to the other guns I own. A Kahr MK9, a Ruger SP101 in .38+p, a Jetfire in .25, and a Keltec P32.
The G17 is a joy to shoot. Just like a .22 plinker. Really a fine gun, a joy to take to the range. The G19 is about the same. The MK9 has a sharp kick to it. The SP101 with .38+P kicks hard, can't imagine shooting a .357 snubbie. The Jetfire has almost no recoil, such a cute little guy, totally underpowered, but cute. The P32 snaps pretty good.
I used to want a BHP but the G17 and G19 have become almost an extension of my hand, and when I pick up any other full or medium framed .9mm, they feel alien. Except for that new Springfield Armory XD (Croatian HS200). But, of course it is pretty Glock like. I liked that pistol, but I thought the grip safety was a bit much. I have never seen any point to having a grip safety. The XD was cheap (400) and I might have bought it without that
grip safety which was probably just a marketing gimic.
I can personally say that the G35, a .40 S&W had less felt recoil for me than my Beretta 92, a 9mm. So for me a Glock has less felt recoil than a Beretta.
We should not mix up recoil with felt recoil. Both metal frames and plastic frames flex. Steel is elastic, though most people forget it. Plastic, or polymer, flexes more, acting like a lighter spring than the metal frame. The force of the recoil is spread out over a longer time frame with polymer, resulting in less felt recoil.
We should not mix up recoil with felt recoil. Both metal frames and plastic frames flex. Steel is elastic, though most people forget it. Plastic, or polymer, flexes more, acting like a lighter spring than the metal frame. The force of the recoil is spread out over a longer time frame with polymer, resulting in less felt recoil.
bad_dad_brad
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Yes Carbon_15, I admit it, I have been spoiled.