Do Cities with Gun Buy Backs Destroy Retired Police Guns?

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KyJim

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This question was inspired by a thread about Detroit requiring some retired police revolvers be sold out of state. Since the thread was about revolvers, I'm sure this occurred many years ago.

My question is whether any of those cities that have gun buy backs actually destroy their retired police handguns (or long guns)? Or are they using them as trade-ins on new guns? It seems like the latter policy would be hypocritical but, where money is concerned, nothing surprises me.
 
So called "buy backs" (ignoring the fact that you can't "buy back" what you never owned) usually operate on grants from various groups. Police sidearms are usually purchased out of operating funds (if not owned by the individual officers). The two funding buckets are not connected, so if the police organization can cut down significantly on the cost of new weapons through the trade in or sale of the old, they will.

You might find some locales with severe restrictions on such things, but buy backs and trade ins really are two very different things.
 
I would think the makers would just love for the depts to grind up their own guns so they do not have to compete with their old products on the open market. And you are probably right, it depends on local politics too. Example: I am sure that there must have been millions of guns sold to the NYPD over the decades but I do not ever recall seeing a used gun marked as such. Might be out there somewhere. Someone else might have a stash of them, I personally have not seen them. The OSP did trade in their Berettas some time ago and I know those made it onto the open market, with OSP special markings on them. It would make the big lib city mayors look like super hypocrites if their own used guns got sold and a few made the illegal market and turned up in their cities, you would think that the news harpies would trumpet such instances all over but I don't see that going on. Then again how many politicians care about being super hypos? Just spin it and deflect blame with help from your buds, whom we all know who they are.
 
A lot are traded in to the distributor, where we find those killer deals on ex police sidearms from CDNN Investments.
 
retired officers handguns

My department allows retiring officers the opportunity to purchase the duty weapon. When I retired, I carried a S&W model 66 2.5", and I paid the department $125.00. The money goes into city general revenue.
 
My department will not allow retired/officers to purchase their carry guns. In fact when I started in 1978 we were issued Colt Troopers III's and I begged the Sheriff to allow me to buy it when we went to semi autos. Got turned down and it went to a smelter :mad: :mad:
Same mind set still rules today and I don't see it getting any better any time soon. :confused:
 
hhb -- If the officer doesn't buy the gun, is it used as a trade-in or sold to a dealer or junked?

Sulaco2 -- I understand the smelter is the politically correct thing to do in some places but I can't imagine it's stopped one person from owning or buying a gun. They just buy somewhere else.
 
Unless something changed last I heard NJ was going to or did destroy 4-5,000 HK P7M8's that were the former duty arm of NJSP.

Let's see, at 400 bucks a pop on 4,000 that is a conservative 1.6 mil the broke state flushed down the dam toilet. Hope they are proud, were I still a tax payer of that toilet by the sea I would be outraged.
 
Spelling, shooting and logic are not connected

RsqVet said:
Unless something changed last I heard NJ was going to or did destroy 4-5,000 HK P7M8's that were the former duty arm of NJSP.

Let's see, at 400 bucks a pop on 4,000 that is a conservative 1.6 mil the broke state flushed down the dam toilet. Hope they are proud, were I still a tax payer of that toilet by the sea I would be outraged
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Rxqvet,

The "dam" you mean is spelled "damn", but if your shooting is as accurate as your logic, any critter or bad guy who goes up against you is in trouble.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

Lost Sheep
 
Kyjim,
What I was saying is that a gun I carried for a decade on duty I could not buy from the government when they changed issued guns. They stopped us (alot of dpty's wanted to buy their issue carry wheel guns when they decided to go auto) from buying them from that same government and putting the cost back into the general fund for the tax paying public. Difference between buying a gun as a cilliy villian and an officer taking home gov issue was my point.
 
The term "buy back" I think your referring to was a policy put into effect by whomever, to would buy guns from anyone, street people, legit gun owners. Basically anyone who brought a gun to the desired location was issued a $50 check. These weapons were destroyed. According to local media, and word of mouth from various DPD. The actual weapons used by the LEO's are traded in. In fact, DPD recently signed a contract switching over to the M&P. Working out a trade off of current duty issues. I honestly don't know what their previous or current is if the M&P transactions haven't been completed.
 
Unless something changed last I heard NJ was going to or did destroy 4-5,000 HK P7M8's that were the former duty arm of NJSP.

Let's see, at 400 bucks a pop on 4,000 that is a conservative 1.6 mil the broke state flushed down the dam toilet. Hope they are proud, were I still a tax payer of that toilet by the sea I would be outraged.
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It's even worse than that. No one's going to destroy them for free.

They will have to PAY someone to destroy what they could sell for good money.
 
I'm not in the loop on this, but this is what I believe is true. There are legal reasons these weapons are disposed of through dealers, and while it probably could be changed, agencies probably don't need the additional complication on what is basically an equipment procurement issue.

It's neither a question of trying to keep the guns off the civilian market, nor insider trading on cheap pistols.

My agency is transitioning to the M&P from the 4006. Officers are being given the option to purchase their assigned weapon (officers in the past have had the option to purchase their assigned weapon upon retirement).

The handguns not purchased will be traded in with the contractor.

The agency cannot sell surplus weapons without going through a dealer, except to retiring officers (as provided for by law).
 
The agency cannot sell surplus weapons without going through a dealer, except to retiring officers (as provided for by law).
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I wasn't suggesting governments sell to individuals. It just seems like a waste for NJ to destroy all those guns and lose all that money when it's not going to stop one person from getting a gun if they want one. It is, however, logically consistent with their anti-gun beliefs and attitudes.

Here in Kentucky, one of the gun meccas of the country, local police cannot even destroy confiscated firearms. They all get shipped to the state which auctions them off with proceeds to buy body armor and such.
 
Here in California "buy back" firearms get cut up and melted. Retired police firearms go to companies like RSR and John Jovino and are sold in lots to FFL dealers, and subsequently retailed to the public. Many moons ago when I had my FFL I bought a ton of retired S&W .38s and sold them at cut rate prices to all of my family members and pals; but still made a ton doing so. The only two I still know are the ones I sold my late Father; a S&W Model 10 HB and a S&W Model 15 "Combat Masterpiece". My Dad died in 2002 and they are my Mom's guns now, and all they needed were some smaller grips. I'll inherit them someday, and I'm looking forward to getting the Model 15 to send to Robar for one of his NP3 finishes. It's box pretty and tight, and I'd like to have it to lock up in the gun box in my van. I can't understand how S&W could build such great pistols then, and such "politically correct" junk now.:barf::barf:

Dr. Raoul Duke
Gonzo Forever
 
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