Distance, Accuracy, Energy... Does the 6.5 Creedmoor have all of these?
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It's one of the best compromises available, but I'd go with the 260 Remington for more common brass.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
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Agreed no disrespect to hornady but the fact that i'm limited to their brass is a real turn off. Especially with lapua introducing .260 brass now. If your fine with limited brass selection, by all means the 6.5 Creedmoor is a hell of a cartridge. I'm contemplating rebarreling my .308 in 6.5x47L or .260 (if i go with 6.5) cause of plans for a 18.5" .308. I don't want two .308s. But 6.5cm, 6.5x47L, and the .260 are all great rounds.
Agreed no disrespect to hornady but the fact that i'm limited to their brass is a rea
I currently don't reload, have in the past and may again. Is there a problem with Hornaday brass? I placed an order for a 6.5X47 SS barrel from McGowen but put it on hold. I almost went with a 308 but the 6.5 cartridge keeps calling my name. I've looked at Grendel, Lapua, .264lbc and now the Creedmoor. Savage makes a nice Model 12LRP in the 6.5 Creedmoor...
I currently don't reload, have in the past and may again. Is there a problem with Hornaday brass? I placed an order for a 6.5X47 SS barrel from McGowen but put it on hold. I almost went with a 308 but the 6.5 cartridge keeps calling my name. I've looked at Grendel, Lapua, .264lbc and now the Creedmoor. Savage makes a nice Model 12LRP in the 6.5 Creedmoor...
Reviews i've read vary honestly. I don't believe it's bad brass by any means. But is it up the same standards as lapua, nosler, norma? I would think not based on reviews. If i'm going to reload and only have one brass manufacturer to choose from, for me personally i want that name to be lapua. Don't get me wrong it's not like i'm biased towards those brands specifically as I love winchester brass.
I'm not a reloader...
From what I've read this is a Hornaday proprietary cartridge, one would think that Hornaday would support it with quality brass and loads? Or are there other producers of this round?
An excerpt from this article:
Hornady’s 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammunition is also much less expensive than the loaded 6.5×47 Lapua rounds. For shooters that don’t have the time (or skills) to reload, the 6.5 Creedmoor makes more financial.
On the other hand, the Lapua brass is tougher. “As to the Hornady brass, while it’s good, it ain’t no Lapua, so don’t try to run hot loads cause all you are going to do is blow out the primer pockets. Keep your loads reasonable and you will get over 20 loads out of them.
I have some I have loaded well over 20 times during testing…they grow like a mother though, as they are a lot softer than Win or Lapua, which is why the pockets will go. However the necks haven’t been splitting.”
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/6-5-creedmoor-for-high-power-and-tactical-shooters/
From what I've read this is a Hornaday proprietary cartridge, one would think that Hornaday would support it with quality brass and loads? Or are there other producers of this round?
An excerpt from this article:
Hornady’s 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammunition is also much less expensive than the loaded 6.5×47 Lapua rounds. For shooters that don’t have the time (or skills) to reload, the 6.5 Creedmoor makes more financial.
On the other hand, the Lapua brass is tougher. “As to the Hornady brass, while it’s good, it ain’t no Lapua, so don’t try to run hot loads cause all you are going to do is blow out the primer pockets. Keep your loads reasonable and you will get over 20 loads out of them.
I have some I have loaded well over 20 times during testing…they grow like a mother though, as they are a lot softer than Win or Lapua, which is why the pockets will go. However the necks haven’t been splitting.”
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/6-5-creedmoor-for-high-power-and-tactical-shooters/
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Looking at this Savage 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/71097
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/71097
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The only one that might be a concern is energy. Usually energy is only a concern if you are hunting, and what is great for deer at distance may not be ideal for elk at distance. A little more clarification would be a good thing.
Also, what do you mean by distance? it is a great paper punching round at 1000 yards. I haven't checked ballistic charts, but for deer it may only be good for 500 yards (ie, has enough energy for a clean kill) and elk it may only be good for 200 yards. Again, that's just me throwing out numbers off the cuff.
Also, what do you mean by distance? it is a great paper punching round at 1000 yards. I haven't checked ballistic charts, but for deer it may only be good for 500 yards (ie, has enough energy for a clean kill) and elk it may only be good for 200 yards. Again, that's just me throwing out numbers off the cuff.
I don't see any reason to even consider "energy" as a factor - what matters is whether the bullet hits the target within the velocity range it was designed for. Though hydrostatic shock is a factor with rifle cartridges, the effect is severely diminished as the bullet slows, and at the ranges where you're worried about a cartridge's performance, is minimal.
I don't see any reason to even consider "energy" as a factor
The kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.
The speed, and thus the kinetic energy of a single object is frame-dependent (relative): it can take any non-negative value, by choosing a suitable inertial frame of reference. For example, a bullet passing an observer has kinetic energy in the reference frame of this observer.
The same bullet is stationary from the point of view of an observer moving with the same velocity as the bullet, and so has zero kinetic energy.[2] By contrast, the total kinetic energy of a system of objects cannot be reduced to zero by a suitable choice of the inertial reference frame, unless all the objects have the same velocity.
If a rigid body is rotating about any line through the center of mass then it has rotational kinetic energy which is simply the sum of the kinetic energies of its moving parts, and is thus given by:
The kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.
The speed, and thus the kinetic energy of a single object is frame-dependent (relative): it can take any non-negative value, by choosing a suitable inertial frame of reference. For example, a bullet passing an observer has kinetic energy in the reference frame of this observer.
The same bullet is stationary from the point of view of an observer moving with the same velocity as the bullet, and so has zero kinetic energy.[2] By contrast, the total kinetic energy of a system of objects cannot be reduced to zero by a suitable choice of the inertial reference frame, unless all the objects have the same velocity.
If a rigid body is rotating about any line through the center of mass then it has rotational kinetic energy which is simply the sum of the kinetic energies of its moving parts, and is thus given by:
Here's an article by Zak Smith, a regular contributor to this forum and a very knowledgeable shooter. It compares the 260 Remington, 6.5mm Creedmore, and the 6.5mm Lapua.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
If you had to choose between the three, I would say go with the 260 Remington, it has a bit more oomph, and brass availability is good. Or just step on up to 6.5-06 or 6.5-284.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
If you had to choose between the three, I would say go with the 260 Remington, it has a bit more oomph, and brass availability is good. Or just step on up to 6.5-06 or 6.5-284.
Here something to read
2010 NRA National High Power Rifle Championship & NRA Long-Range Championship – Camp Perry, Ohio
I am not sure the shooting industry is really yet aware of the outstanding performance put on by two highly respected individuals during the NRA High Power Rifle Championship (August 10 thru August 13) held at Camp Perry, Ohio. Sgt Sherri Gallagher US Army (AMU Shooting Team) and Carl Bernosky put on a performance that may never be equaled in the NRA High Power Championship. Sgt Gallagher shot a 2396-161X to claim the title of NRA High Power Champion and Carl came in second with a 2395-140X. Both Gallagher’s and Bernosky’s scores shattered the old National Record of 2389-138X set by G. David Tubb in August 2003.
For those of you that are not aware of the composition of the NRA High Power Championship, it consists of 3 – 20 shot matches in 200 Yard Slow Fire Standing, 3 – 20 shot matches in 200 Yard Rapid Fire Sitting, 3 – 20 shot matches in 300 Yard Rapid Fire Prone, and 3 – 20 shot matches in 600 Yard Slow Fire Prone. The course of fire is shot over 4 days and totals to 240 shots with a total possible score of 2400-240X. Sgt Gallagher dropped only 4 points over 4 days of shooting with 161 shots finding the X ring (67%). Sherri won 7 of the 12 individual matches and had an unbreakable tie in one of the others. I believe Sherri was shooting the 260 Remington.
2010 NRA National High Power Rifle Championship & NRA Long-Range Championship – Camp Perry, Ohio
I am not sure the shooting industry is really yet aware of the outstanding performance put on by two highly respected individuals during the NRA High Power Rifle Championship (August 10 thru August 13) held at Camp Perry, Ohio. Sgt Sherri Gallagher US Army (AMU Shooting Team) and Carl Bernosky put on a performance that may never be equaled in the NRA High Power Championship. Sgt Gallagher shot a 2396-161X to claim the title of NRA High Power Champion and Carl came in second with a 2395-140X. Both Gallagher’s and Bernosky’s scores shattered the old National Record of 2389-138X set by G. David Tubb in August 2003.
For those of you that are not aware of the composition of the NRA High Power Championship, it consists of 3 – 20 shot matches in 200 Yard Slow Fire Standing, 3 – 20 shot matches in 200 Yard Rapid Fire Sitting, 3 – 20 shot matches in 300 Yard Rapid Fire Prone, and 3 – 20 shot matches in 600 Yard Slow Fire Prone. The course of fire is shot over 4 days and totals to 240 shots with a total possible score of 2400-240X. Sgt Gallagher dropped only 4 points over 4 days of shooting with 161 shots finding the X ring (67%). Sherri won 7 of the 12 individual matches and had an unbreakable tie in one of the others. I believe Sherri was shooting the 260 Remington.
That is what I read, she was using the 260 and the barrel had close to a couple of thousand rounds on it.
Which is very near the end of the accuracy barrel life. It is risky to start off the season using a caliber which is so erosive that the accuracy life of the barrel is likely to be over just at the National Championships.
What I don't know, does the 6.5 Creedmoor have a longer barrel life, and what is it?
I wouldn't and I don't think the 6.5Cm has better barrel life. Ballistically its more similar to the .260 than the other 6.5s and out of regular ammo it usually is pushing the 6.5s a tad fast right? I've seen some statements of 6.5x47L going 4000+ rounds, then a barrel change IIRC.
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