Dislike for Military?

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Fremmer

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Senator Kerry's statement that kids who don't study and apply themselves ending up in Iraq was interesting. He seemed to slip and state his true opinion about the military. Was the statement similar to those he made about the military during the Vietnam war?

What I'm wondering is why a political party wouldn't strive to earn the votes from those serving in the military, and why the dislike exists in the first place? It doesn't make sense to me. Especially when security is such an important issue; Kerry's statement makes the party look weak on that issue.
 
Fremmer, what it's called is a faux pas. No politician worth his salt would utter such a statement, were he to consider the actual consequences of the utterance.

Kerry will never admit to have made such a stupid intellectual blunder (hence his reference to it being a bad joke). To do so would be admitting that he subconsciously meant what he said.
 
"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns" -- Henry Kissinger
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Kerry is taking a lot of heat. Doesn't seem to have hurt Kissinger to bash the troops.

Kissinger's Back...As 9/11 Truth-Seeker

Asking Henry Kissinger to investigate government malfeasance or nonfeasance is akin to asking Slobodan Milosevic to investigate war crimes. Pretty damn akin, since Kissinger has been accused, with cause, of engaging in war crimes of his own. Moreover, he has been a poster-child for the worst excesses of secret government and secret warfare. Yet George W. Bush has named him to head a supposedly independent commission to investigate the nightmarish attacks of September 11, 2001, a commission intended to tell the public what went wrong on and before that day. This is a sick, black-is-white, war-is-peace joke--a cruel insult to the memory of those killed on 9/11 and a screw-you affront to any American who believes the public deserves a full accounting of government actions or lack thereof. It's as if Bush instructed his advisers to come up with the name of the person who literally would be the absolute worst choice for the post and, once they had, said, "sign him up."
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http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=176

badbob
 
I remember an occasion in the very first few days of the first Clinton term when a formation of military jets passed over some public ceremony in formation. A few of the new White House staff ducked down, then supposedly one of them sheepishly made the remark, "Oh, that's right, there ours now." Think about that one for a minute. I need to find that story. Supposedly Stephanoupolis was one of them.

That's always epitomized the far left's attitude toward the military for some. Then there was the systematic misuse/abuse by the White House staff of the White House-assigned military members.

Another article I need to locate quoted some statitistics on post-White House assignment career progression in Clinton's first term. Supposedly there was a very high number of career officers and enlisted members that left military service at the first opportunity after that assignment.

That said, pols have never had a high opinion of the miltary across the board. Also, military members, as well as the general public, forget that the military is a tool of foreign policy. Men and women die for political purpose. Period. They don't fight and die as a result of belief in that purpose in most cases. They fight and die for the publicized version of the conflict and you do it for your brothers and sisters in arms, mainly the latter.

You take the flag and assign it your own patriotic values, because the values of those that implement policy is seldom the same. The men and women in the military more accurately represent the values of the population as a whole than do government policy makers.
 
I wonder how many people on here remarking on Kery's "joke" have actually seen the footage. I finally did today (and although I dispise Kerry) it is pretty clear he is referring to George Bush being the one that was uneducated.
 
I wonder how many people on here remarking on Kery's "joke" have actually seen the footage. I finally did today (and although I dispise Kerry) it is pretty clear he is referring to George Bush being the one that was uneducated.
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Not to bust on ya man, but how ya figure that?

He said " I wanna talk about education and the importance of it. Do well in school so you can get a good job. Otherwise,you'll get stuck in Iraq."

There's nothing about Bush in there. Bush isn't IN Iraq. The only way I see that as being interpreted is "Make sure you're smart and get a really good job here where you are useful. Because if you're dumb and don't get a good job, you'll have to join the army/marines/navy/air force and you'll get sent to Iraq."

He knows what he said,knows what he meant and didn't even apologize for it until much later after he said "I apologize to no one."

+1 to Bud for the comment about troops fighting for each other and not the politics. ;)
 
You know, well, speaking for myself, it doesn't matter really. I know who he is and I have known since he appeared before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 22, 1971: Kerry's Testimony. I listened to parts of that testimony that were replayed on television at the time. He feels the same today as he did then, but now he is a member of the government. Even though he may feel the same way he did then, he can't say it. But sometimes it slips out. I felt the same way then I do now. He does not understand. He never did.
 
That's always epitomized the far left's attitude toward the military for some. Then there was the systematic misuse/abuse by the White House staff of the White House-assigned military members.
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I think that's accurate, but the question is, "why?" The military does what it is told. Why would the far left not want the votes? It seems to be a clinging perception that the far left can't shake.

Is it because of the Vietnam war, or is there some other reason this exists?
 
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