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I'm not sure where to post this so I'll try it here.

I found this at Gunbroker.com on a seller's description.

ATTENTION: IF YOU RESIDE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, DO NOT BID ON THIS AUCTION. YOUR BID WILL NOT BE HONORED.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, [Name deleted]HAS CEASED DELIVERY OF ALL FIREARMS, FIREARMS PARTS AND AMMUNITION TO ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, POLICE OFFICERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE RESIDENTS OF, WHAT HAS BECOME THE PEOPLES REPUBLIK of KALIFORNIA, BECOME ANGRY ENOUGH, AND GROW ENOUGH COURAGE, TO REMOVE FROM OFFICE THE SOCIALIST POLITICIANS WHO PASSED SECTIONS 12072(F)(1) & 12083(C)(1) OF THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE INTO LAW AND THE GOVERNATOR WHO ALLOWED IT TO BECOME LAW, I SHALL NOT HONOR ANY FURTHER BIDS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE PEOPLES REPUBLIK of KALIFORNIA. THIS SHALL ALSO APPLY TO CURIO & RELICS (03) FIREARMS AND LICENSEES. NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE.
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Do you agree with the seller in not providing service to the residents of CA?

I don't want to start an argument about the political stand of the state's government, I am only asking if you agree with the policy.

Personally, I do not as those rsidents of CA who might be bidding on the sellers item surely would not have elected such lawmakers into office singlehandedly.

IMO, while it is unfortunate that the firearms enthusiasts in the state are deprived of many opportunities, FFL's in other parts of the country where the laws are more realistic should not deprive their fellow Americans the same services.
 
I agree with the decision. As a former resident of the state of California I can say with no shame that I love the state itself. Unfortunately the legal system there is one that I can not and will not abide by, so until such time as it changes I've boycotted the entire state to the best of my abilities.
 
There is precedent for this as Ronny Barrett (the guy who builds the Barrett .50 cal rifles) did exactly this a couple of years ago. He won't even service his own rifles for California departments.
 
"Ronny Barrett (the guy who builds the Barrett .50 cal rifles) did exactly this a couple of years ago."

Well, not exactly. Barrett refuses to sell to or do service for any California law enforcement agencies. In this case, the seller is refusing to do business with *anyone* from California. He's waiting for us to get enough courage. Activ is right--things like this only make it harder for California shooters, the vast majority of whom DID NOT vote for the politicians who make life miserable for us.

Oh, I know... "Just move out of that socialist hell hole!" That tack works for some, but not everyone. Many have jobs or family here, or other situations that make moving impossible. In the end, though, we all need to recognize that what has happened in California can happen anywhere. Look at the conservative states like Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Colorado that are building liberal enclaves in their major cities--enclaves that form substantial voting blocks that can affect local politics. That's the way it happened in California, so beware--and please remember we're all on the same team.

Tim
 
If more sellers took that position perhaps there'd be enough ground swell in Kalifornica to do something proactive about their increasing anti gun laws.

On another note, a good share of the liberal movement in Idaho is directly attributable to new, and or part time, residents from Kalifornica.
 
I don't want to start an argument about the political stand of the state's government, I am only asking if you agree with the policy.
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I have zero issue with this. I can buy from who I choose, and he is welcome to do the same.
 
We need more private business' to adopt this sort of policy. If you ask me, handgun companies should have started this years ago when the "accepted" firearms list came out.
 
You know, its not a bit realistic, but I've often wondered what would happen if all gun and ammo manufacturers cut off California. I mean, H&K, Ruger, Winchester, Colt; nobody no longer sold guns or ammunition to any PD or citizen in that state. (Reloading supplies too just to put a real squeeze on them.)

I'm sure most PD's stock spare ammunition, but eventually its gonna get used. And with a total boycott by ammo-suppliers, how're they gonna get any more? :D

Hmm... Maybe time to write some letters to the local ammo-factory? :D;)
 
You know, its not a bit realistic, but I've often wondered what would happen if all gun and ammo manufacturers cut off California. I mean, H&K, Ruger, Winchester, Colt; nobody no longer sold guns or ammunition to any PD or citizen in that state. (Reloading supplies too just to put a real squeeze on them.)
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Love to see it too but I have a feeling the police unions would crank up the pressure on these companies and none of them want to cut off their own nose.
 
"You know, its not a bit realistic, but I've often wondered what would happen if all gun and ammo manufacturers cut off California."

I'll tell you what would happen. The California gun-grabbers would declare total victory. Stopping the sale of firearms in the state is their goal.

Tim
 
most PD's stock spare ammunition, but eventually its gonna get used.
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Perhaps, but perhaps California would socialize the production of arms and ammunition for their law enforcement...or begin utilizing military supply chains.
 
I agree 100%. A seller has a right to refuse to sell to anyone they choose. If the paperwork and legal mumbo-jumbo make a sale to someone in the ROK too difficult or expensive then it's not worth the hassle to the seller.

Frankly, I'm not sure the ROK qualifies as a state, and you can't sell to a person in a foreign country.
 
"You know, its not a bit realistic, but I've often wondered what would happen if all gun and ammo manufacturers cut off California."

I'll tell you what would happen. The California gun-grabbers would declare total victory. Stopping the sale of firearms in the state is their goal.
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Well, true. I was just thinking about putting the California police and government agencies in a bind as well. No new guns for the LAPD, state troopers having to patrol without ammunition, etc. etc. Basically putting Law Enforcement in the same boat as the rest of the civilians.

Hell would be raised, and maybe the lack of arms and ammo for the police would make a good bargaining chip to loosen up gun laws in that state. It could easily backfire, but with the right PR it might be pulled off. I mean hell, guns in the U.S. are a several-million-dollar-a-year business, and money talks.
 
"Well, true. I was just thinking about putting the California police and government agencies in a bind as well."

Normally, restrictive laws here have exemptions for law enforcement and military. But even if such a law did not initially have such a provision, the problem would be quickly repaired with additional legislation.

DWARREN, I hope you don't really believe that the shooters of this state elected the politicians who enact these laws. Politicians like that are elected by people who could care less about guns and shooters.

Tim
 
The seller has his right...

He can choose not to do business with anyone in CA, or anywhere else for that matter, and unless someone takes him to court over it, and wins it is his business and no one else's.
As to a boycott of ammo for CA,
I'm sure most PD's stock spare ammunition, but eventually its gonna get used. And with a total boycott by ammo-suppliers, how're they gonna get any more?
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There are a couple of drawbacks with this idea, first, as already noted, the anti gunners will just love it! 2nd, CA PDs will just contract with foreign dealers and get imported ammo, probably cheaper. 3rd, somebody will try and sue ammo makers, for arbitrarily endangering the citizens of CA (because stopping ammo to the cops puts citizens in danger). The legal suit may not go far, but I bet it would be brought.

And then there is the punishing of CA shooters for something that is obviously beyond their direct control. After all, if they could control it, those idiots would not have gotten elected in the first place. Even though it is an emotionally satisfying idea, I don't think it could work.
 
nobody no longer sold guns or ammunition to any PD or citizen in that state
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Actually, there are already a number of cities and counties in California that have outlawed mail order sales of ammunition. Citizens in those locations can only buy ammunition from local vendors, and no one else.

Legislation has already been introduced to make such an ammo mail order ban effective for the entire state.

So as far as ammo vendors go, they are going to be locked out of shipping to California gun owners pretty soon, in all likelihood.

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If more sellers took that position perhaps there'd be enough ground swell in Kalifornica to do something proactive about their increasing anti gun laws.
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Actually, if you look at a lot of auctions on gunbroker.com, this position is quite common now. Firearms vendors are refusing to deal with all of the new red tape and costs that California has imposed on them.

Instead of complying, they are simply writing off the entire state for business.

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