Discipline for crude behavior not retaliatory (DEA)

Skyhawk

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An interesting and disgusting article in the 24 July 2000 Federal Employees News Digest (Vol. 49 No. 50) that gives some valuable insight into the federal law enforcement agencies internal behaviors. This particular article refers to the outcome and aftermath of an EEOC sexual discrimination compliant. This information generally does not make its way into the public news arena. Appropriate comments have been highlighted. Apologies to the ladies on the board.

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Discipline for crude behavior not retaliatory

Disciplinary actions meted out to five Drug Enforcement Administration agents for creating a sexually hostile environment in their law enforcement training sessions were not retaliatory actions, a federal district court rules, rejecting the agents’ discrimination charges.

The white male agents were transferred and reprimanded when a group of women law enforcement officers, who had attended training sessions led by the agents, complained that they had been subjected to a hostile environment by the instructors’ behavior. Examples of objectionable conduct cited by the women included the instructors:

 Using sexual terms to describe law enforcement work, making sexual remarks about female participants, including pictures of nude women with instructional slides, and using derogatory terms when referring to women.

Using derogatory sexual terms when speaking about Attorney General Reno.

 Grabbing their genitals and using crude language to describe them.

Boasting that DEA agents get “horny” unless they can “kill people”.

After the original compliant was made in 1995, four of the male agents were transferred and all of them were placed on administrative leave with pay and one agent also received a letter of reprimand. The agents then filed suit under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, charging that they were discriminated against because they were white males and that the agency’s disciplinary decisions represented retaliation for previous discrimination complaints they had filed.

Dismissing the employees’ charges, the District Court for the Northern District of Illinois stresses that “an employer has the right to discipline employees that disgrace it with shameful and, if the women officers’ allegations can be proven, quite possibly illegal conduct.’ According to the court, management’s “exercise of that right is not retaliation.” (Flanagan v. Reno, DC, NDIll., No. 97 C 2083, 06/13/2000)

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Skyhawk
 
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 Boasting that DEA agents get “horny” unless they can “kill people”.
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Pretty well sums up DEA attitude.
Makes you really want to stand up for No-Knock Warrants.
 
If nothing else, they should have been punished for incredible stupidity. In this day and age of big money lawsuits against employers because of crude and rude employees, these guys didn't get the word?
 
Working with Federal agencies can be an eye-opening experience. DEA sounds bad, but I don't think they've got a patch on the ATF. I attended a weapons class with some regional ATF agents once, and the way the acted around their lady agents was, quite frankly, embarrassing.

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
These guys had to be completely clueless. I retired from another federal LE agency six years ago. Of the women we hired most were under par as LEOs, but we were smart enough to keep our thoughts to ourselves and behave. The fact was that too many people with axes to grind were just waiting for an excuse to hang you out to dry. Unfortunate, because the one really good female agent was undercut by the incompetent ones. I once observed to our secretary that the only woman I felt I could talk freely around anymore was my wife. It was true, too.

Narcotics officers seem to have more than their share of behavioral problems anyway...

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You know, it's taken years, but SOMEONE finally tried this defense!

Years ago I wondered why someone didn't try it. I knew full well that it would never work, but hey.

I think that they would have been a HELL of a lot more successful had they tried to claim ADA protections for being "sexually addicted," and that their actions were a direct response to this addiction.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.

[This message has been edited by Mike Irwin (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
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The fact was that too many people with axes to grind were just waiting for an excuse to hang you out to dry.
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That's different from any other work environment how?

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
All of the above actions I have seen in the military also, but we are just smart enough to tone it down around the women, but being grunts that isn't to hard cause there are none. Heck my PMI's most often advice was to play with yourself to ease the stress of qual week. I'm not saying that these actions are right but that when you get a bunch of guys together who train for death, they find humor in the weirdest things.
 
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