Dimple and Military to Determine Next President

Gary H

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I think that the lay of the land is now clear.

Can someone clarify a couple of points:

1. Where is the military ballot legal battle? What's up?

2. Has anyone been able to distill from the Broward data, what percentage of set-aside ballots are being approved as "dimples with clear voter intent"? They claim to have about two-thousand ballots set aside. In other words, can we make any projections based upon the numbers? Palm Beach is being a little evasive with regards to how many ballots are set aside. I've seen numbers up to six-thousand. I think that Palm Beach is a more likely place for the "fix".

3. Most "experts" that have appeared via the lame-stream press give Bush little chance of reaching the U.S. Supreme Court with his present case. Has anyone seen positive evaluations of this case?

4. Anyone have heartburn? Gobble Gobble ..HAVE A GOOD ONE:)
 
It no longer matters who wins! The Presidency has been poisoned. Whoever sits in the White House will surely loose control of both houses of congress in two years. I personally would rather see GW gracefully withdraw from this election, let Bore live in the White House, and have congress safely in the hands of Republicans. If Bush were to win, he will most certainly loose Congress in two years. Since Bore will be viewed as a sore looser (he is BTW), setting up the stage for Hitlery in 2004.

Here, now that I have set the stage. I fear more Hitlery with a Democratic House and Senate than four years of lame duck Bore. He will do nothing for four years. Nothing!

Robert
 
I'm not scared. These guys seem to have the recount process well in hand :rolleyes:

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It doesn't look good. From Bush-Cheney 2000 -

Broward County Counts Dimpled Ballot

The Broward County Canvassing Board began counting an estimated between 1,200 and 1,300 challenged ballots and "under votes" this morning and may complete their deliberations late tomorrow or Saturday.

The Board, composed of two Democrats and the only Republican canvassing board member in the three (Miami-Dade, Palm Beach and Broward) recount counties, is
using a loose standard to judge dimpled ballots. They appear to be labeling dimpled ballots in which on the presidential race is dimpled and the rest of the
votes cleanly punched though as voters who decided not to cast a presidential ballot. However, they are counting as votes ballots dimpled in the presidential race and dimpled in a few other contests. Not surprisingly, the board is awarding 2 out of every 3 to Gore.

SIDEBARS -

(Why we need "None of the above" on the ballots. -Oatka)

1. Exit Polling Says At Least 1.5% Of Americans Did Not Vote In PresidentialxContest

While the Gore campaign says dimpled ballots must be counted because every voter obviously intended to vote in the Presidential contest, FOX NEWS reports that at
least 1.5% of voters told exit pollsters on November 7 that they did not vote in the presidential race. Experts say this understates the actual percentage of people who voted in down ballot races, but NOT in the presidential contest.

The number of "undervoters" in the three Florida recount counties the Gore campaign is trying to mine for additional votes is roughly 1.5-2.25%, well within the range suggested by the exit polls.

2. Chicago Tribune:
Gore Distorts Illinois Case In Bid To Count Dimpled Ballots
November 23, 2000
Illinois case offers shaky precedent- By Jan Crawford Greenburg and Dan Mihalopoulos, Tribune Staff Writers.

"A landmark Illinois Supreme Court ruling hailed by Vice President Al Gore's lawyers may not be the legal home run they believe will aid his quest to win Florida's 25 electoral votes and the White House, an analysis of the ruling shows.

"Gore's lawyers focused on the Illinois ruling because the Florida Supreme Court quoted it at length Tuesday night in its decision to allow manual recounts in selected counties to continue. The lawyers suggested that the mention of the
Illinois case was a sweeping directive to count controversial "dimpled" ballots, in which ballots were indented but not punched through.

"Democrats have fought hard to have those ballots counted in the official tally, believing that most of them would fall into Gore's column and give him the presidency. They said the Florida Supreme Court's ruling and its citation of the Illinois opinion bolstered their arguments.

"But that Illinois case should not give Democrats any confidence that dented ballots will be counted in Gore's favor. That's because the Illinois court actually affirmed a trial judge's order to exclude dented ballots, since he had decided he could not reasonably determine the voters' will by examining the ballots.

In fact, in the Illinois case, the dented ballots were not counted at all.

"'The judge did not count ballots that were indented because he could not determine the voters' intent,' said attorney Burton Odelson, who represented challenger Rosemary Mulligan in the 1990 case. 'From the beginning, I knew everybody [in Florida] was interpreting this case wrong and reading into it what they wanted to read into it'...

"Late Tuesday, the Gore legal team pressed the issue further, asking a Cook County attorney involved in the Illinois case to sign an affidavit saying that dented ballots were ultimately approved in the Illinois case...

"In fact, in its ruling the Illinois Supreme Court approved the procedures that Cook County Circuit Judge Francis Barth used four days earlier when he refused to accept any dented ballots, even those with, as he said, definite or distinct
dents.

"In rejecting the dented ballots, Barth looked at the condition of the rest of the ballot. If the voter had clearly punched out chads in other contests, he said, the voter knew he had to punch a hole for his vote to count. As such, he said he couldn't make the logical leap that a dent should count as a punch in another race...

"Using that same guidance, Barth rejected the dents, saying at the 1990 hearing he began "with the assumption that a voter will understand that there must be a punch in the ballot..."

"At one point, Barth noted that lawyers were arguing dents to the point that fibers were disturbed. But that wasn't enough in one ballot, particularly since the voter had successfully punched the ballot for other candidates, he ruled...

FULL STORY
 
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