Did anyone see this on television?

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t-man

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Hey you guys, I'm hoping this isn't quite off topic, but I saw something on that show "world's scariest police chases" that I was hoping some of you saw too (I love those shows!). It was the one where this guy is wrestling with this LEO and his K9 dog on the ground while being videotaped from the patrol car. The BG wrestles the gun out of the LEO's hand and swings at the dog with the pistol but misses the dog and and hits the ground. The BG then pulls back a couple of feet and tries to shoot the LEO. Well thank God, the gun didn't go off. The announcer said that the firing pin was jammed when the BG tried to smash the dog but hit the gun in the ground. Then the BG tries once again to no avail - finally the BG runs away and the LEO pulls out his backup pistol and proceeds to empty about 5 or 6 in the dude. They said the ambulance came to help him, but they never said whether the BG survived his wounds.
Anyway, here is my question. Has anyone ever heard of a firing pin being jammed this way? I was personally guessing that the BG grabbed the LEO's pistol (Glock-I'm assuming) and didn't know how to use a trigger safety. It just seems that it would be too unlikely for a firing pin to get stuck or jammed that way. Any opinions?
Secondly, could anyone tell what kind of pistol he was using as a backup?

-cheers
tman
 
I saw it, but the video quality wasn't good enough for me to tell what kind of firearm was in use. I was wondering about the "firing pin jam" myself...
 
i saw that also and i too didn't understand how hitting the gun into the ground could cause it to be damaged badly enough that it wouldn't fire. at first when the gun wouldn't fire i figured it must have had a manual safety that the BG didn't know how to work.
 
I would like to know some details from this case...the announcer is only interested in making the case seem dramatic and the cops seem heroic, so they leave out quite a bit.
If I had to guess what happened, I would say that the gun had a safety and the crook didn't know how to use it. I would also guess that the cop missed with his backup gun and the crook gave up and was taken to the hospital for dog bites.
 
I didn't see this show, but I know its fairly standard to train LEO's carrying Smith's to eject the mag if they fear losing there guns. Most Smith pistols, if not all, have magazine disconnects on them. I'm personally not a Smith fan, but the Sigma series got issued to a lot of Police Departments.
 
This is TOTAL conjecture on my part.

What would happen to a Glock/Sigma/Sig-Pro if it were jammed into the ground/gravel? Certainly the slide/barrel can retract back to a degree. Could the muzzle end of the dust cover become distorted enough to prevent it from returning to battery? The disconnect mechanism would not be able to release, preventing the gun from firing.
 
Victor, I think you could be close to the truth, but we'll probably never know. If he jammed the muzzle into the ground and it went out of battery and a little dirt or debris kept the slide from going back into battery, then it probably wouldn't fire. This is supposing it was a Glock, but if not and it had a manual safety, that would be the best explanation. That or the LEO has a really attentive Guardian Angel.

t-man - your statement about the BG not knowing how to use a Glock trigger safety is puzzling. To use the safety you, uh, pull the trigger. Every BG worth his ill gotten salt knows how to do that.
 
RikWriter,


The Sigma doesn't have a magazine safety.
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Well that blows my theory, unless it was another Smith. Like I said I'm not a Smith fan, but had a 4006 at one time, nice gun, and it had a mag disconnect.
 
Well, just so you know, I have zero experience with Glocks(or any pistol with a trigger safety). So what I mean is the first time I held a Glock (actally a couple of weeks ago in a store) and saw that tiny little safety on the trigger, I asked the store owner, "so how do you shoot one of these things" He said the trigger safety had to be deppressed to pull the trigger.

Suffice it to say, if you don't have a lot of firearm experience, and you steal it from a cop, it may not imediatley do what you think it's going to.
Maybe the BG just pulled on the lower part of the trigger without depressing the trigger safety. That was my theory.

do I make any sense at all?:)

tman
 
t-man... Save face and give up the Glock theory, you'd have to have a finger the width of a pencil and grab the trigger from the very top to pull the trigger and not depress the Glocks Safety.
 

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I saw that one too. When they showed it in slow motion, I think the BG really jammed it into the turf.(That's what it looked like to me) That may have moved the slide back a bit, and held it there with dirt and grass?
 
Sorry guys,
My inexperience with trigger safetys is showing.
I was just trying to figure out why he couldn't get the gun to fire. Certianly no flame towards the glock was intended!

tman
 
No sweat, I don't think any flaming was intended or even considered by any of us. The statement was merely puzzling. Now we know what you meant and you learned a little in the exercise. :)
 
I saw it...I was wondering if maybe he had a pistol with a safety...like a 1911...

It didn't look so much like he jammed it in the ground as much as maybe the wrestling might have released the mag slightly or, like I said, maybe it was something he just couldn't figure out...He sure tried to kill the cop...AND the dog...I think the back-up was fired 4-5 times at the bad guy and it all seemed like slow motion...scary :eek:
 
What really happened.

I wanted a copy of the tape for training purpose with my department. I could not get ahold of Fox. So I called Dallas Co. Sheriff's Department (where the tape came form). I was informed that the officer has moved to another agency. But I spoke with an officer who knew about it. When the gun was jammed in the ground, it was knocked out of battery. I did not ask what kind of gun it was. SOrry.
Mr. Joshua
 
I seriously doubt the pistol was a Glock. The firing pin on a Glock simply is not going to jamb because it hit the ground.
 
John Bonell (I misspelled his name I think) will...uhm...take a certain amount of dramatic license when showing those videos.
 
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