Did anyone see that gas-retarded straight blowback action 1911 in Amer. Handguner?
- Thread starter Futo Inu
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As a fan of both P7's and 1911raceguns, I just have to say (in the vernacular of the rural Georgia gun shop I work in) "Was that not slicker'n wet owl feces?".
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
I read the article about the gun and I am still wondering, "What was the point?" Evidently the creator of this gas 1911 thought that his system would increase accuracey and soften recoil. The average group was 2.128" @ 25yards off a Ransom rest! Not that good IMO, rather have a Wilson or similiar 1911 that would out shoot the eyes outta that gun. Oh well, at least he tried something new.
Sensop has already given the link, its the same web address that was given in the magazine.
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Sensop has already given the link, its the same web address that was given in the magazine.
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Know Yourself, Know Your Weapon, Know Your Enemy; then Know Victory! ---DaHaMac
Steve Smith
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I'm with DaHaMac, the article began by telling us that the designer wanted to maks a fixed barrel system so it would be more accurate. It did not shoot any better than a normal 1911. Its the answer for a question nobody asked.
thequickad
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In Feb 13, 2000's American Shooter episode, they highlighted this gas blow back 1911 pisol. It had a hugh compensator because the advantage of the fixed bbl and is supposed to give 1" grouping at 50-yd as well. But it didn't win the Bianchi cup. 
Frontsight!:
Well, I think it's too early to tell based on what are essentially prototypes and development mules. Besides, why not make something because it's different for differentness' sake. You know, kind of like why you climb Everest: "Because it is there."
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
Well, I think it's too early to tell based on what are essentially prototypes and development mules. Besides, why not make something because it's different for differentness' sake. You know, kind of like why you climb Everest: "Because it is there."
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
Steve Smith
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Tamara, in that case, building a belt-fed 1911 would have been a much better use of time, as well as the "because its there" theory. Hmmm...
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Well first, regarding super-accuracy, even in IPSC open class shooting, a smidgeon more intrinsic accuracy, even if obtained, is not going to help scores one iota over current "raceguns" because of the limitations of practical accuracy, IINM.
However, in fairness, if it in fact reduces recoil subtantially, it's worth a closer look, as pooch said, for the hand cannon rounds. Would be interesting to see objective measurements of felt recoil. Question: If limited class shooting disallows compensators, would it allow this pistol? If yes, then it could be advantageous to limited class competition shooters with high-recoil pistols, or even "plinkers", though I don't know if shooting anything with a .460 Rowland could properly be referred to as "plinking". As to "do it because we can", OK, that's a good enough reason.
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However, in fairness, if it in fact reduces recoil subtantially, it's worth a closer look, as pooch said, for the hand cannon rounds. Would be interesting to see objective measurements of felt recoil. Question: If limited class shooting disallows compensators, would it allow this pistol? If yes, then it could be advantageous to limited class competition shooters with high-recoil pistols, or even "plinkers", though I don't know if shooting anything with a .460 Rowland could properly be referred to as "plinking". As to "do it because we can", OK, that's a good enough reason.
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Nukem,
I plan to do an evaluation on his guns when I can fit it into my schedule. What were your impressions?
robert
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I plan to do an evaluation on his guns when I can fit it into my schedule. What were your impressions?
robert
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
Dr. Rob:
Of course it's not a 1911. No more than a Strayer-Voight, or even a Para-Ordnance (regular, or LDA). It is a new type of pistol based on the 1911 platform.
Also, pistol not 'Gas Operated', pistol blowback operated, gas delayed, like cheap unreliable H&K. Gas port not clog and reduce pistol to club if use jacketed bullets and remember to clean once in blue moon.
I own a P7M8. Approaching the 1500 round mark on this factory rebuild. Still not jam 1. The basic system (gas-delayed blowback)is sound.
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
Of course it's not a 1911. No more than a Strayer-Voight, or even a Para-Ordnance (regular, or LDA). It is a new type of pistol based on the 1911 platform.
Also, pistol not 'Gas Operated', pistol blowback operated, gas delayed, like cheap unreliable H&K. Gas port not clog and reduce pistol to club if use jacketed bullets and remember to clean once in blue moon.
I own a P7M8. Approaching the 1500 round mark on this factory rebuild. Still not jam 1. The basic system (gas-delayed blowback)is sound.
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
Equalizer,
I didn't shoot the gun, but I handled it both together and disassembled. The workmanship was first rate.
If I remember, the system used is actually copied from another gun, but I can't recall which.
I'm shooting in a match at the very same club this sunday, he may show up. If he does I'll look into it a little more.
I didn't shoot the gun, but I handled it both together and disassembled. The workmanship was first rate.
If I remember, the system used is actually copied from another gun, but I can't recall which.
I'm shooting in a match at the very same club this sunday, he may show up. If he does I'll look into it a little more.
Ruben Nasser
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Right on, Tamara!! Besides the excellent H&K P7 pistol, there is (was?) a cheap Norinco that apparently shoot very well (...they really strive to get any kind of gun one can possibly think of to the market, probably thinking that no matter what somebody in USA will buy it...). Another example was the Steyr MG pistol, it was a "wondernine" before of its time, with an 18 round magazine and double action in 1980, and it was a very good shooter, no cleaning problems, very accurate, and could handle any ammo (normal, +p, +p+). I think that if the concept develops some more, it may find a niche in the huge and novelty hungry US market. According to the article, one of the first patents for this system was on no other than John Browning!!