Did anyone catch the "plastic gun" mention by Slick Johnny last night?

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Edwards actually criticized Cheney for voting against banning "plastic guns" during his time as a congressman.

Do these fools actually think they can resurrect this dopey issue and get some traction from it??

I guess if they are trying to swing the college age crowd, who weren''t around for that debate, they may be able to scare them into believing the lie. A new generation of dupes for them to add to the voter rolls.
 
Oh, yeah. I was waiting for Cheney to say, "I'm not about to vote to ban something that doesn't exist and probably never will exist."

I'm sure he had his reasons not to respond, though. Perhaps he was concerned that Edwards would then get into the AWB sunset.
 
I had thought they were talking about plastic knives on planes, like the "CIA letter opener" that SOG makes.
 
I had thought they were talking about plastic knives on planes, like the "CIA letter opener" that SOG makes.
No. They were talking about a bill that was in Congress when Cheney was a Representative from Wyoming. One too many Demonrat idiots had seen one too many Oliver Stone movies, and they thought that people could sneak Glocks through metal detectors. Cheney voted against such idiocy, and now finds himself castigated for it by a Demonrat. Who could have guessed? :rolleyes:
 
7/27/00 10:45 a.m.
The Cheney Glock-n-Spiel
Bush's Veep-in-waiting proved he won't be seduced by mindless gun lobbying.

By Dave Kopel, of the Independence Institute



The gun control spin machine and its media assistants are in full blather over Dick Cheney's vote against banning so-called "plastic guns" which could slip through metal detectors. Unfortunately, the are no mental detectors which can alert television viewers when spinmeisters have not the slightest idea what they're talking about. In fact, Cheney's vote showed that he won't let himself be stampeded by lobbyists or expediency; the vote therefore underscores his moral fitness for high office.

Today, one of the most popular American pistols for police work, for target shooting, and for self-defense is the Glock, which is manufactured in Smyrna, Georgia. The Glock's virtues include being reliable and unlikely to jam, extremely durable even when not cleaned, and much more comfortable to carry than most other handguns. The reason for this last virtue is that the Glock's frame and grip are made from high-tech plastic polymers. The barrel and internal working components of the gun, however, are made from metal.

Glock pistols, in many different calibers, are ubiquitous today, but in the mid-1980s, they were brand new. Then, the company had not opened its Georgia plant — only a few thousand Glocks had been imported from the company's base in Austria. The gun prohibition lobbies know that it's a lot easier to terrify the American people about something unfamiliar. So the lobbies — with the energetic assistance of the Washington Post and Jack Anderson — undertook a publicity campaign to panic everyone over the Glock. They started calling the Glocks "terrorist specials" and pretending that they were designed to sneak through metal detectors.

This was a patent lie. The purpose of the lightweight plastic frame is to make the gun more comfortable to carry for extended periods. That is why the Glock began to catch on for police use very rapidly in the late 1980s. Today it's one of the most popular police firearms.

As for being able to slip through metal detectors, experts testified to Congress that the Glock is readily detectable. They showed Congress photos of a Glock under a metal detector, with the Glock's profile very easily visible. Unfortunately, facts don't matter all that much on Capitol Hill. Having spread the lie about the undetectable plastic gun, the gun prohibition lobbies moved to stage two: the bait and switch. Senators Howard Metzenbaum (D-OH) and Strom Thurmond (R-SC) introduced a bill that outlawed tens of thousands of all metal handguns — everything that had less than eight ounces of steel. For example, the thirteen ounce Raven pistol, which is made of alloys, and therefore has less than eight ounces of pure steel, would have been banned as a "plastic gun" — even though it doesn't have a molecule of plastic.

The Department of Justice under Attorney General Meese (who had fought the NRA for years over the bill that finally became the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986) was poised to endorse the "plastic" gun ban. Only the timely intervention of Vice President Bush stopped the DOJ. Still, the gun-prohibition lobbies spread enough disinformation — especially on security-conscious Capitol Hill — that many legislators felt a need to "do something." So, in perfect Capitol Hill fashion, they passed a bill which satisfied the bipartisan desire to "do something," and which did not offend anyone because it did not actually do anything.

"Compromise" plastic gun legislation was approved by the National Rifle Association and by the gun prohibition lobbies. The lobbies got to tell their members, correctly, that the lobbies had actually pushed a bill into law. The NRA got to tell its members that nothing had happened. Both groups were right.

The compromise bill banned the future production and sale of firearms with less than four ounces of metal. The bill had no effect on any existing gun, and as far as I can tell, no effect on any gun that anyone has ever wanted to build. The production of mostly-plastic guns continues full throttle. The Glock pistols were followed by the .22-caliber Syntech from Ramline, and now even Smith & Wesson is using plastics. For most in Congress, the plastic gun compromise was like getting an "A" without having to take the final exam. The major lobbies on both sides were happy; Congress looked like it was doing something; and nothing bothersome was done.

Four Representatives voted "no" against this sham legislation. One of them was Dick Cheney of Wyoming. The vote shows that Dick Cheney is a man who doesn't decide what to do simply by gauging how the lobbyists line up. He takes the care to learn the facts — even the facts that can't be found in the Washington Post. His garbage detector is very strong. Too bad all the media talking heads don't have their own garbage detectors, which might lead to some questioning of the plastic gun hoax.
 
Anyone else notice that Edwards talks to people in the same style as Algore - meaning that, he dumbs down and talks slowly like his entire audience is comprised of 5th graders? He's also a pretty-boy like Algore - many similarities...Southern, etc. I can't stand him like I couldn't stand Algore, for this reason, and oh yeah, his anti-gun policies. IMO, the Dem party chiefs are idiots for not getting a Southern guy on their ticket who actually UPHOLDS SOME SOUTHERN VALUES; someone like Zell Miller perhaps; someone who's pro-gun at the very least; they're shooting themselves in the foot, as per usual, because the NRA is apparently being very effectively at exposing this tickets' seemingly-pro-gun-charade, for what it really is - vehemently anti-freedom.

And Glocks are now manuf'd in Smyra? I thought they were only imported through Glock Inc (USA). And yes, Mr. Cheney has a head on his shoulders - he's a good 100 times more pro-gun than Shrub.
 
Yeah, but, with all his money...can't he find someone to freeze that thing off his lip??
That's a beauty mark. He's trying (in his dreams) to compete with Cindy Crawford.

I think he's afraid that ol' "Victor Charlie" wouldn't hug him and squeeze him, and pat his little tushy as much if he got rid of it. LMAO :p
 
Yup, Smyrna. The plant is about fifteen minutes away from me. One of my friends works there and he gets an employee discount. He has a 'couple' of them. He offered to give me one that he was bored with.

I find it odd that people can be criticized for exhibiting integrity.

Why do we get crucified for evaluating facts, making up our own minds, and not jumping on a band wagon? Is it based on jealousy because we actually have our own minds?

They know we are right. They have to lie to sway the simpletons.

The "Two Johns" are dirty used car salesmen.
 
I certainly did. The obvious problem is SO many -- even among the well-educated professional demographic -- know so little about firearms that they believe that it is "bedrock truth".
 
Any one ever think that the bullet would still have to be metal? Or that fire that is associated with explosions, that propel the bullet, probably don;t mix with plastic?
 
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