Newsmax has been pushing D.M.'s new book. He's promoting Rice as the Republican candidate for 2008 and the most likely candidate to beat Hillary. Previous Condi discussions centered on her support for the Second Amendment, gender/race discussions and the fact that she has clearly stated that she does not want to put her "hat" into the "ring". Bush's second term's opposition to border controls, Iraqi reconstruction missteps, promotion of the growth of the federal government, N.O. giveaway and H.M.'s nomination may discourage many conservatives and the 2006 elections could find Republicans in retreat. Republican name recognition rests with the likes of Rudi and John, both on the liberal side of the political fence. Is Dick Morris on to something, or is he promoting his own pocketbook? Morris seems to be a well informed political operative. Is his premise to be taken seriously? Is all lost without Rice? (A bit over the top, but to the point.)
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Dick Morris: Pushing Condi
- Thread starter Gary H
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Sorry, but I don't understand your post. I know that she was supporting the Iraqi WMD claim, but so were most Western intellegence agencies. Are you saying that OBL doesn't want to strike the U.S.? Also, when discussing 'skeletons in the closet", we must remember that Hillary will be the opponent. Tit for tat might not put Hillary in good light.
Nonsense. She can have the presidency for the asking. She's way ahead of any other potential republican nominee, that's for sure.I don't think Condi "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The United States" Rice has a chance in hell of winning election to any public office.
Nonsense. She can have the presidency for the asking. She's way ahead of any other potential republican nominee, that's for sure.
She can ask ME all she wants and she ain't gonna get it. She's smart (any professor at harvard or yale or wherever is sure to be pretty smart) but she ain't qualified for the job if her only qualificaiton is Hilliary and the opposition thereof. And so far, I've not seen any indication that she could do the job anyway even if she was elected.
She's too soft in foreign policy negotiations. She's too ineffective in diplomacy. She's unpersuasive. She doesn't communicate well. She does not rally the citizens to her cause.
Condi Rice is NOT my idea of a good candidate. The fact that some feel she is the best candidate speaks poorly for the fact that there aren't any good candidates to choose from.
Where have our leaders gone?
Ms. Rice is a prime candidate because she has the requisite government experience, she is a conservative republican, she is a woman, she is african american. Therefore, her sex and her ethnicity would prevent the media from attacking her whole heartedly as liberals would be drawn to the idea of the first woman president and the first black president. Republicans and conservatives would be drawn by the fact she is conservative and a Republican. Her positives and potential appeal far outweigh, at this point, her negatives - ie. she is a part of a now unpopular administration and a political party that is less popular than it was in the recent past. Her negatives could be managed by a political pro like Morris by simply focusing her campaign on the future and making it more a popularity contest and a poll on whether a black woman should be president. Also historically, minorities and woman most often come to power first in countries with democratic elections as members of that countires conservative parties - as they tend to keep the conservative vote and get the apolitical and middle of the road support from people who think its time for a woman or a minority to be president.
There is a simple reason he is pushing Rice---he hates Hillary. The problem the Republicans will be facing in the next election is who is their candidate going to be? Hillary WILL(mark it down) be the Democratic nominee. His reasoning(smart) is that Rice is the ONLY Republican who could beat Hillary for 2 reasons:
1. She will take a split or majority of the black vote
2. She will take a split or majority of woman voters
You have to realize how huge a difference this will make. The only other candidate(who hasn't declared) is Rudi and he's not conservative enough for most Republicans. The Democrats would have 0 chance of winning a national election without getting at least 90% of the black vote(as in the past). Rice takes this and the woman vote split away from Hillary.
1. She will take a split or majority of the black vote
2. She will take a split or majority of woman voters
You have to realize how huge a difference this will make. The only other candidate(who hasn't declared) is Rudi and he's not conservative enough for most Republicans. The Democrats would have 0 chance of winning a national election without getting at least 90% of the black vote(as in the past). Rice takes this and the woman vote split away from Hillary.
The following has been extracted from several sources. They are not my words. I have simply verified the facts and cut & pasted what I thought to be interesting.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the 66th Secretary of State on January 26, 2005.
Rice served as a Hoover senior fellow from 1991 until 1993, when she was appointed provost of Stanford University. She held the position of provost for six years, during which time she served as the chief academic and budget officer of the university (she was the youngest, the first woman, and first non-white provost). In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.
Following her initial Hoover Institution affiliation, Rice went to Washington, D.C. to work on nuclear strategic planning at the Joint Chiefs of Staff as part of a Council on Foreign Relations (highlighted for you conspiracy theorists) fellowship. She came back to Stanford when the fellowship ended.
From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.
She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.
In case you missed it, she had her Doctorate in Political Science (Soviet Studies) at the age of 26. She started at U of Denver at age 15.
Tell you what, if we can't have Condi as the next president, would anyone mind if we replaced Roberts with her?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the 66th Secretary of State on January 26, 2005.
Rice served as a Hoover senior fellow from 1991 until 1993, when she was appointed provost of Stanford University. She held the position of provost for six years, during which time she served as the chief academic and budget officer of the university (she was the youngest, the first woman, and first non-white provost). In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.
Following her initial Hoover Institution affiliation, Rice went to Washington, D.C. to work on nuclear strategic planning at the Joint Chiefs of Staff as part of a Council on Foreign Relations (highlighted for you conspiracy theorists) fellowship. She came back to Stanford when the fellowship ended.
From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.
She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.
In case you missed it, she had her Doctorate in Political Science (Soviet Studies) at the age of 26. She started at U of Denver at age 15.
Tell you what, if we can't have Condi as the next president, would anyone mind if we replaced Roberts with her?
The strategy for beating Hillary makes sense as put forward above, but this really makes me ask the question.. Are we considering Rice because she would make a good POTUS, or is it that the bullpen is empty? When I talk with those outside my inner circle, I find that Hillary does have support and I believe that she can win. I wouldn't be saying this if there was a strong countering force, but what we have is a Bush weakened Republican party and no moderate/conservative stars. We have a mid-term election and two years of unknown events prior to the 2008 election campaign, but looking at things right now, I'm just not seeing any other big name Republicans that I could support.
MicroBalrog
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Haven't Ms. Rice said she does not intend to run?
chris in va
New member
It would be refreshing to have a woman in office. Maybe she won't go starting wars for no reason.
So I guess all you fervent supporters are saying she gets a pass on everything involving the invasion of Iraq? The alleged certainty of WMDs, the alleged certainty of links to terrorism...any of this ring a bell? That's who you want for your President? Well, at least it wouldn't be any different from status quo. And she's black. With those qualifications, who could say no?
So I guess all you fervent supporters are saying she gets a pass on everything involving the invasion of Iraq? The alleged certainty of WMDs, the alleged certainty of links to terrorism
Again, where do you think she and others got their information? Do you even stop and think or just regurgitate Liberal nonsense? Intelligence agencies from not just the US but many other nations all gave the same reports of WMD's as well as terrorists training inside Iraq. The man had and used biochemical and WMD previously---the fact that he moved them before the invasion doesn't take away the threat of not knowing before we went in. It was a risk that I for 1 wasn't willing to risk.
BTW, John Kerry, Hillary, and Bill Clinton all agreed that Sadam had WMD's---now where do you think they got their information?
Again, where do you think she and others got their information? Do you even stop and think or just regurgitate Liberal nonsense? Intelligence agencies from not just the US but many other nations all gave the same reports of WMD's as well as terrorists training inside Iraq. The man had and used biochemical and WMD previously---the fact that he moved them before the invasion doesn't take away the threat of not knowing before we went in. It was a risk that I for 1 wasn't willing to risk.
BTW, John Kerry, Hillary, and Bill Clinton all agreed that Sadam had WMD's---now where do you think they got their information?
leadcounsel
Moderator
I heard Dick Morris say that Condi is PRO GUN and PRO 2nd Amendment. According to him, she grew up poor in the south and there was termoil in her town and her father and the other black townsmen relied on their guns to protect them from violent discrimination.
I like everything that I know of Condi so far.... I never thought it would happen that we might have a woman or an African American as president, but it could be just around the corner. I cannot think of a better person that the GOP could put forward.
And, if the left puts Hillary forward, it will force the GOP to put Condi forward to regain many female votes.
I think the upcoming election in 2008 will be the most interesting in my lifetime....
I like everything that I know of Condi so far.... I never thought it would happen that we might have a woman or an African American as president, but it could be just around the corner. I cannot think of a better person that the GOP could put forward.
And, if the left puts Hillary forward, it will force the GOP to put Condi forward to regain many female votes.
I think the upcoming election in 2008 will be the most interesting in my lifetime....
Is there a point to this criticism? The Republican candidate for president in 2008 will have supported the war, or will claim to have, no matter who it is.So I guess all you fervent supporters are saying she gets a pass on everything involving the invasion of Iraq? The alleged certainty of WMDs, the alleged certainty of links to terrorism
A lot of people, including Kerry, believed Iraq had (or probably had) WMDs before the war.
leadcounsel
Moderator
Yes, with the exception to the flaming left, every US leader had access to all of the western intelligence and supported the war based on credible intel that Iraq had WMDs, even KERRY. The majority of the UN also had credible intell and followed along. Some 38 nations supported the war and to overlook them is a slap in the face of our allies. Finally, the few nations that failed to support the UN and US, like France, turned out to have illegal and sweetheart deals with Iraq and a vested interest in not upsetting their deals.
Anybody that failed to object in any office at that time then will have the same criticism leveled against them.
Anybody that failed to object in any office at that time then will have the same criticism leveled against them.