Depressed teens and guns

K80Geoff

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From Reuters
Tuesday September 26 5:36 PM ET
Many parents of depressed teens do not give up guns


By Alan Mozes

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The majority of gun-owning families whose adolescent children are receiving treatment for depression do not dispose of their household weapons--even after being counseled about the link between firearms and suicide, according to researchers.

Over a 2-year period, investigators surveyed and interviewed the families of 106 adolescents who participated in a 3-month treatment program for major depression. Just over one quarter of the families had firearms in the household, and they were informed about the association between gun-ownership and increased suicide risk before being counseled to remove guns from their home.

``Most people who had guns in the home, and whom we asked to remove them, did not do so, even though they agreed to,'' said Dr. David A. Brent, study lead author and a professor at Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic at the University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The study findings are published in the October issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

Brent and his colleagues found that only one quarter of those families who owned guns prior to beginning treatment had removed them from the home by the conclusion of treatment--a number that rose to almost one-third when surveyed 2 years after treatment. The authors note that those families that did remove guns were more likely to perceive their child to be at suicide risk.

Brent expressed frustration that more families did not take an active stance to remove guns even when expressing willingness to do so after being apprised of the rising gun-related suicide rate in the US over recent decades.

``These were people who were very compliant with all aspects of a demanding research study, so in general they were quite willing to do what we asked,'' Brent told Reuters Health. ``Not only that, but around one in six people who did not have a gun at the time of intake into the study acquired one. Clearly, we need to find better ways to communicate our concern about having a gun in the home of a depressed, sometimes suicidal teen.''

SOURCE: Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 2000;39:1220-1226.

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Interesting!

Haven't they heard of gun safes.


Geoff Ross
 
Link between Suicide and guns? What BS!

The link is between Depression and Suicide.

This guy is a professional?

I see the Antis are working another angle now.
 
K80Geoff, Please go back and post the entire article. I seemed to have missed the point here. ;)

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The point is that if everyone is diagnosed as "depressed" and put on "medication" then nobody will be able to have guns. And if you've ever done one of those stupid "tests" to see if you are depressed you will find that virtually everybody fits the "diagnosis". There was an article in our Sunday parade section of the paper, October 5 is "national depression screening day" and there is a number you can call to get "diagnosed". They admit that practically everyone that calls is "depressed"
It think it's a big sham. I can't believe the nation is falling for it but they lap it up like milk. It's rather "depressing".
 
I have been "seriously depressed" and I never killed myself!!! Well maybe I did in Counter-Strike, by mistake.. Damned cliffs! ;)

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
Depressed people are at risk of suicide, obviously. Given you had a teenager with such a diagnosis, you would be wise to keep guns under lock and key.

However, getting rid of guns is really trying to make an antigun statement. Did they ask the families to restrict access? A family in such a situation of course would be likely to agree with the interviewers' set of demand characteristics.

Given a serious depressed kid, of course, you would watch the family medicines, alcohol, be careful where the kid goes, etc.

About 25 years ago, a co-workers son hung himself. Guy was never the same.

So, reasonable precautions would be prudent. If parents didn't take them, I would be shocked. But did they ask the family to get rid of Tyelenol - as that can be deadly. All bladed tools?

So the message is tinged with antigun propaganda. When my kids where at home, access was strictly controlled. However, I would not give up my fundamental right to defend myself.
 
"Depressed teenager" is redundant.

A fine Simpson's quote from Bart while watching The Smashing Pumpkins, "Making teens depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel."
 
Serious depression has biological causes and affective disorders cost firms more lost work days than many other problems.

Sure kids have identity issues and get depressed about silly things but such momentary mood swings are quite different from the real deal.
 
The reason for a perceived link between firearms ownership and suicide is that people who attempt suicide usally succeed. This drives up the numbers of (actual) suicides in homes with firearms, creating a "spike" that looks like a link between the two. Actual ATTEMPED suicides have been shown to be HIGHER in homes with out Firearms. (This last is a report I have not yet confirmed) But it sounds good and no one has refuted it yet. If you have the documentation please e-mail me with it.


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"Take your weapon with reluctance. Draw it with dread. Grieve for those who fall to your bullets. But make every shot count."-Robert Shea
 
A few years ago, there was a woman making the talk show circuit arguing that guns should be banned. Her daughter had taken a loaded gun from the woman's dresser and shot herself in the head. But... the daughter had tried to commit suicide five times prior to that!

My niece came within a whisker of shooting herself. When my brother found out, he moved all his guns to a friend's house. Even with the guns gone, though, she's still depressed.
Therefore, it is obvious that guns don't cause depression. In some people, they cause happiness :) .

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
If I had a teenage child who was seriously depressed, I would at the very least keep guns out of sight and locked up. Leaving an easy "escape route" laying around for a depressive to find is like leaving an open bottle of whisky out for an alcoholic.

But I'm a realist and I know that no one is going to stop a loved one from committing suicide if they mean to do it. You can lock up your guns -- and you should. But your home will still contain medicine, kitchen knives, rope, a car, running water to fill a tub, electricity ... It's scary but that's the plain truth. You can't make them decide to live.

The frightening thing about the article is that it implies that "the experts" are more responsible for, and worried about, these teenagers than their own parents are. It implies that parents are not capable of measuring the risks and taking the steps they believe are appropriate for their own families.

It actually sounds like the first step toward getting a "legislative solution" to the problem of teen suicide. How long will it be before we have a law that says if your teenager gets diagnosed with depression, it's illegal for you to own a gun?

pax

"I'm getting fed up with my psychiatrist. I told him I had suicidal tendencies. From now on I have to pay in advance." -- Rodney Dangerfield
 
It won't take long before we get that law.... In addition, all the kids will be screened at school for depression. Bet they ask the question "Do your parents have a gun at home?" if the kid answers yes then they have depression.... Sorry, but I just don't trust other people to make a decission regarding my safety and life.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Ok now we have a legal precident for that. Parents charged with neglect with children who die of obesity. A court that has mandated a family's child MUST take Ridlin because the child was diagnosed with ADS.

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"Take your weapon with reluctance. Draw it with dread. Grieve for those who fall to your bullets. But make every shot count."-Robert Shea
 
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