Democratic control, your guns, and your ccw.

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jfrey123

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Once again, it's time for a question from everybody's favorite newbie. Today's query presents itself due to the predicted future of our country's bi-partisan government. It's becoming a popular belief that the congress and possibly presidency in the upcoming elections will shift to the Dem-olitionists. Now, in no way do I love what the republicans represent. I do however enjoy the gun policies they enact. It's rumored that if the democrats do regain control, the over-control of our firearms will become part of their agenda once again.

My question stems in regards to a CCW permit. As I've mentioned here before, I am working towards getting mine within a few months (waiting to buy my first .45acp and .380 for super compact backup... NV only allows 2 guns on your CCW permit). After I get those, I will be getting my CCW license. While NV requires no permit to own, and claims there is no weapon tracking from my Brady purchases, those two weapons will be registered in the Nevada database for pretty much all LE agencies to fawn over. My co-worker/ firearm educator/ twice my age mentor thinks getting a CCW is a huge mistake because of those reasons. He's very confident that in my lifetime I will see a ban on guns, and believes Uncle Sam will come take any away that he knows I have.

Now, without further delay, here is my actual question: Does anyone here believe that handguns will be banned here in the states? If so, is that affecting any current decisions or choices you make about your firearms?

Personally,I'm worried that he's right. I can see someday not being allowed to own guns. I've also made my own mind up, going against my own mentors advice. I'm going ahead with my CCW, and if handguns are banned, they can come take my CCW registered weapons. As for my Glock and Ruger, they fell out of the holsters while I was hiking in the woods and I never saw them again -or- Sorry officer, sold them while private party sales were still legal.

Anyway, that's just my thought process. Am I way out over the conspiracy theory boundary? What comes to mind when you read this post?
 
He's very confident that in my lifetime I will see a ban on guns, and believes Uncle Sam will come take any away that he knows I have.
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That's exactly what my Dad told me in 1968 after the Gun Control Act passed. The country was in a frenzy and gun control was riding high. He would have bet you a million dollars that we would never see something like the CCW movement. He thought all handguns were going to be banned "within ten years." He was WAY wrong. Despite the big Democratic wins after Watergate. Or the big Democratic wins in 1992. We've had our ups and downs but things are BETTER now than they were in 1968 as far as the gun laws themselves and the expected direction of future laws.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more restrictive laws over time. But I would be VERY surprised to see any kind of actual confiscation in the US. It's the big scary thing to wave in the air but such a move would cause social unrest on a truly massive scale. Our entire structure of political beliefs in the US would be in conflict with confiscation of private property. We aren't Europe or a country that used to be part of the British Empire. The way we view our fundamental rights is different than many others countries. Like Canada or Australia. The way the average American views the US government and the appropriate role for the gov't is different. This goes way beyond liberal and conservative. A US liberal would be considered a moderate or even a slight conservative in many western countries. That will all have to change before we have to really worry.

Gregg
 
People like you are what make a gun confiscation possible. It's time for the American people to pull their head out of their a**** Gee, terrorism can't happen here either can it? Then came 9/11. I for the life of me can't figure out why any gun owner would vote democrat. It's like a Jew voting for Adolph Hitler. "Well sure he'll gas us but think of the good he will do." This is the same arguement I hear from the DFL. Well so they'll take our guns but at least gas will be cheap.
 
pick up a couple of the NRA's rifleman magazine from june/july. Read the article on the United Nation's proposed treaty.

it's basically this:
if we get a anti-gun democrat into office the next time around, all he has to do is to sign the treaty and it will stip the 2nd amend. out of the constitution, and without the 2-3rds majority vote from the senate/congress. since it's a treaty and not a "law" the nra had a really good write up on it.
 
The democrats still haven't forgotten the massive house cleaning of government after their last big push for gun control. They are not looking to be in office just one term.
 
I dont think handguns will be the only guns banned one day. Our grandchildren are going to be in danger of seeing all guns banned or so heavily restricted that common people will be unable to reasonably practice our 2A rights.
 
Yes, if the Republicans continue to put forward disasterously incompetent presidential candidates who appeal to just social conservatives of the extremes - they will lose control of the White House and Congress to such an extent that a ban might occur.

The demographics of the country are against or moving towards holding office merely on a base of religious and Caucasian white men and a few of their gal pals.

The future of the RKBA is to move it from an issue that only appeals to such a small niche. However, that won't happen as many of the gun folk want the issue to be one only for that social conservative bunch. They would rather rant about things then try to be inclusive on the RKBA.
 
I WILL NOT vote for a Democrat until I see a Democrat create, introduce, vote for and pass PRO GUN legislation. To me, A vote for a Democrat, in any election, is a vote for banning firearms.
 
Handguns have already been banned in the US - in Chicago and DC.

"Unsafe" handguns have already been banned in California.

And a de-facto gun confiscation of "assault weapons" - commonly known as "scary rifles" - is already underway in California. A lawfully-owned California-registered "assault weapon" cannot be transferred to one's heirs in California - it must be relinquished to the police. That's a much easier confiscation technique: victimizing grieving families, instead of kicking down doors of healthy gun owners.
 
The future of the RKBA is to move it from an issue that only appeals to such a small niche. However, that won't happen as many of the gun folk want the issue to be one only for that social conservative bunch. They would rather rant about things then try to be inclusive on the RKBA.
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Bravo!

WildgreatpostAlaska
 
jkkimberfan said:
A vote for a Democrat is a vote for gun bans, gun confiscations, and more gun control "for the children" of course.
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That's a wide net you're casting there.

In Ohio, the next governor will almost certainly sign a comprehensive concealed carry reform bill into law. Both Dem. and Rep. candidates are pro-gun, and "A" rated by the NRA.
 
The future of the RKBA is to move it from an issue that only appeals to such a small niche. However, that won't happen as many of the gun folk want the issue to be one only for that social conservative bunch. They would rather rant about things then try to be inclusive on the RKBA.
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Mmmm... Not really. While it is true that I happen to be part of that "small niche" that isn't so small, I have never been one to state that I desire for it to be the exclusive realm of the social conservative bunch.

It just so happens that the social "conservatives" are the political faction these days which is least anti. I would really like for the socially "liberal" (who are anything but) to likewise embrace RKBA, but they aren't going to, and aren't open to discussion. That being the case, a vote for the socially "liberal" (who aren't) is a vote against RKBA, since they are the ones who have defined themselves as being anti RKBA.

So, go ahead. Vote leftist. Just don't come crying to me when those same leftists trash our RKBA as they have stated they will do in no uncertain terms. Keep in mind also that those supposedly pro-gun Democrats will be caucusing with the rest of the Democrats, empowering them. And, since the rank and file of the Democrats in power are anti-, your "pro-gun" Democrat will just end up empowering the anti-gun Democrats who are in the majority in that party.

In a nutshell -- it is political reality. Get used to it.
 
Here's what comes to mind when I read your post:

In the early 1900's, alcohol was VERY popular. It could be (cynically) said that alcohol was America's favorite pasttime! Then, in an matter of just a few years, a bunch of lunatics managed to get it banned NATIONALLY!

Now, how did that ban work out? As I recall, the ban was so miserably unsuccessful that it was repealed just a few years later!

Several years later, they tried the same thing with marijuanna. As a result, marijuanna use among young people went through the ROOF! Marijuanna is more prevalent today than it ever was, and the market for it is INCREDIBLE! So failed has the marijuanna ban been that an ever-increasing lobby is growing trying to get it legalized again! (I think that within my lifetime we will see a legalization of marijuanna... but that's another political thread.)

So, I ask you. In light of all of these other COMPLETELY failed bans, how do you think a gun ban is going to work out for the feds? If people want something bad enough, they will have it, legal or not. And, I do not believe that a ban on firearms will be met with any measure of success greater than the ban on booze or pot.

Both of my guns are registered. The gub'mint knows what the numbers are. I'm not worried about it. If the ban is passed, I'll do my duty as a good citizen and make those guns disappear.
 
Remember the UN arms ban confrence?

They will use some universal threat to all of us, and yes, try to come for them. They will try. We have the duty to uphold the 2nd, no matter who's in power. When the govt disarms it citizens, it is because they are scared of them. Why are they scared? What have they got to hide? What have we got to hide? Our guns.
 
Ha!

"In Ohio, the next governor will almost certainly sign a comprehensive concealed carry reform bill into law. Both Dem. and Rep. candidates are pro-gun, and "A" rated by the NRA."

Sure they are. Until they get into office. Or until the Dem. President forces States to give up their firearm rights.
 
Hey!

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Last time I checked, a state that takes your guns is not a free state. How well do you think coming and getting everyones guns will go?:eek: I know I wouldn't volunteer for the job. If someone (probably a Democrat) ever passes a National gun ban, I hope they have the balls to personally go around to all gunowners houses and demand they hand over their firearms.:)
 
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