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Deadly Officer Shootout

Posted on 12/16/2005 9:17:55 PM
by Tyler Baldwin

Two sheriff deputies are hospitalized after a deadly shootout in Faulkner County.

Authorities say a deranged lover armed with a shotgun was shot and killed at his ex-girlfriend’s home.

The home is located on Hazen lane, in southern Faulkner County.

It happened about two in the morning.

Officers say, Christopher Tindoll, an ex-boyfriend, got into a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend, John Sides Jr.

Tindoll left livid, but would return 30 minutes later. This time he came with a shotgun.

Faulkner County Sheriff Deputies tried to stop him, but he stormed inside. The authorities followed. That's when deputies say, Tindoll turned and fired, shooting both the deputies. Deputy Wesley Martin and Sgt. Jason Bell were hit in the abdominal region with bird shot.

The deputies returned fire and hit Tindoll.

Tindoll then turned and continued down the hallway to the bedroom, where the ex-girlfriend and new boyfriend were.

However the boyfriend was armed with his own handgun.

He shot Tindoll in the chest. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

Jon Noble, a neighbor, heard the commotion and came outside. He says he heard Tindoll shouting. "I seen the blue lights. And they (the police) are down there hollering at the fellow, calling him by name, telling him, 'don't do that. Don't do that. Put the gun down and this other stuff.' he (Tindoll) says, he is not going to put his gun down. He has messed up pretty good. And he is going to continue to mess up. I guess they followed him into the house. The next thing I hear is, bang, bang, bang, bang."

Both Wesley Martin and Sgt. Jason Bell should make a full recovery.

The boyfriend John Sides Jr., we are told, will not face any criminal charges. Authorities say he may have saved the lives of everyone in that home.

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=641C0AD6-9EA4-49ED-AFA6-AF4330AE441F
 
What do they mean, "Deputies tried to stop him but he stormed inside"? Just how did they try to stop him? Where they between him and the doorway when he "stormed" inside with a shotgun, or where they some distance away?:confused:
 
For the police: Until farther info comes in, no judgment from me.

For John Sides Jr.: Thumbs up. Good shoot.

For Christopher Tindoll: Well, the gene pool has a little bit of chlorine after all.
 
I am astounded. SO responds to a DV complaint. A supervisor and a DS are standing guard when a actor arrives with a SHOTGUN!? The two SO rsponders are shot with birdshot apparently getting around/under their vests. A third actor in the original DV complaint shoots/kills the suspect. What kind of training did the SO/academy give these people? GUN! Stop, please, if you don't mind. Sir, don't rack that shotgun. Please sir, don't point the shotgun at us. Watch out sir, your finger is on the trigger. Oh, the safety is off, someone could get hurt. This is just NOT our little Mayberry anymore.
 
Thank God for the right to keep and bear arms.

A better reason for the 2nd ammendment can hardly be shown than this.

The boyfriend John Sides Jr., we are told, will not face any criminal charges. Authorities say he may have saved the lives of everyone in that home.
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Give me a break. The guy without a doubt saved every life in there. No may have about it.
 
Civilian Lethal Defense after LEO Incapacitation

Deadly Officer Shootout

Posted on 12/16/2005 9:17:55 PM
by Tyler Baldwin

Two sheriff deputies are hospitalized after a deadly shootout in Faulkner County.

Authorities say a deranged lover armed with a shotgun was shot and killed at his ex-girlfriend’s home.

The home is located on Hazen lane, in southern Faulkner County.

It happened about two in the morning.

Officers say, Christopher Tindoll, an ex-boyfriend, got into a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend, John Sides Jr.

Tindoll left livid, but would return 30 minutes later. This time he came with a shotgun.

Faulkner County Sheriff Deputies tried to stop him, but he stormed inside. The authorities followed. That's when deputies say, Tindoll turned and fired, shooting both the deputies. Deputy Wesley Martin and Sgt. Jason Bell were hit in the abdominal region with bird shot.

The deputies returned fire and hit Tindoll.

Tindoll then turned and continued down the hallway to the bedroom, where the ex-girlfriend and new boyfriend were.

However the boyfriend was armed with his own handgun.

He shot Tindoll in the chest. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

Jon Noble, a neighbor, heard the commotion and came outside. He says he heard Tindoll shouting. "I seen the blue lights. And they (the police) are down there hollering at the fellow, calling him by name, telling him, 'don't do that. Don't do that. Put the gun down and this other stuff.' he (Tindoll) says, he is not going to put his gun down. He has messed up pretty good. And he is going to continue to mess up. I guess they followed him into the house. The next thing I hear is, bang, bang, bang, bang."

Both Wesley Martin and Sgt. Jason Bell should make a full recovery.

The boyfriend John Sides Jr., we are told, will not face any criminal charges. Authorities say he may have saved the lives of everyone in that home.
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Sometimes when you have a timely LEO response, it still is not enough. Choose your weapon and your woman carefully.
 
Shootout Leaves Deputies Injured, Suspect Dead

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Gunfire inside a Faulkner County home leaves two deputies injured and a 27-year-old man dead. Police say it started out as a simple argument between a woman, her boyfriend and her former boyfriend.

People on Haven's Lane say they live in this isolated community because it's safe and quiet. That all changed early Friday morning.

"Kind of strange 1:30, 2:00 in the middle of the night, hear the cops screaming somebody put you're gun down,” Jon Noble, a neighbor awakened by the shootings, says. “That’s something you'd here down in Little Rock."

Noble lives just a few yards away from the home where the shooting took place. He says the residents there had just moved in.

Noble explains, "I’d seen a guy, a girl and two or three little kids and I just assumed it was a new family moved in down there in a new house and was fixing to have a nice Christmas, but come to find out - uh no."

Noble says he heard the deputies arrive and immediately realized it was a dangerous situation.

"And when I got in the house I heard [the officer] - 'Put your gun down Chris. Don't do that,'" says Noble.

He then heard the suspect, 27-year-old Christopher Tindoll, say "'Oh, I’m not going to jail and I’m not giving you my gun. If I’m f-ing up, I’m f-ing up right.’ Next thing I heard, boom! Bang! Bang! Boom! Bang! Bang! That gunfire I hit the floor I ain't lying. I hit the floor."

Noble says he feared the worst, "I heard one of the police officers coming out of the door saying he's hit and hollering at his buddy and he didn't get no reply."

Noble quickly called 911.

"I get on the phone to them I said, ‘You know you got shots fired out here’ and she said, ‘No, I had no idea of that. You stay up there where you're at’ and she hung up on me. Next thing I know, there's 30-40 cops it seems like."

Investigators say that after Sgt. Jason Bell and Deputy Wesley Martin fired non-lethal rounds at Tindoll, he shot back. Both deputies were hit, but one managed to returned fire, hitting Tindoll in the side. Then, detectives say the man living there Jon Sides Jr. shot and killed Tindoll.
The officers were taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Deputies say Christopher Tindoll had no prior criminal history nor had he ever been involved in any domestic disturbance where police were called.

His ex-girlfriend, Melissa Webber and three children were inside the home when the shootings happened. Detectives say, luckily, they were not injured.

Bell and Martin are expected to make a full recovery. Both are on administrative leave until an investigation by Arkansas State Police is complete.

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And when I got in the house I heard [the officer] - 'Put your gun down Chris. Don't do that,'" says Noble.......
Investigators say that after Sgt. Jason Bell and Deputy Wesley Martin fired non-lethal rounds at Tindoll, he shot back. Both deputies were hit, but one managed to returned fire, hitting Tindoll in the side. Then, detectives say the man living there Jon Sides Jr. shot and killed Tindoll.
The officers were taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Deputies say Christopher Tindoll had no prior criminal history nor had he ever been involved in any domestic disturbance where police were called.
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Wow. That's weird. How did they know his name?
 
Mmm, maybe. The cops did slow Tindall down, and it's now looking like they might have wounded him, but it was Mr. Sides who put him down with a COM shot/s, apparantly alone.
 
Y'know, Xavier, . . . that is one thing I just never really understood.

Lady says get out of my life, . . . cool, . . . I just ain't shooting no one or getting shot by someone else over any woman.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
Not trying to second guess or criticize the LEO's involved, but if someone has a shotgun and has expressed the intent to enter the home and use it on someone, and ignores a command to drop the gun and stop, why would you let him enter the home? Almost seems like the video that was on here the other day of the officer that was killed, only with a happier ending.

Again, I wasn't there and don't know the details, just going from the account given, it sounds like the "talk" time was over, and hesitation again got someone hurt.
 
That's a tough one. Let's say the LEOs show up and the guy in on the porch with the shotgun. They draw and tell him to stop. But her turns and heads inside.

There's multiple problems here. One thing is, the cops don't know what's beyond their target, thru the walls. Second, the cops could be concered about the legal ramifications of shooting a man in the back after he turned around.

Tough call on the LEOs part.

XB,

Choose your weapon and your woman carefully.
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Think I might have just found my self a new sig line! Truer words have never been spoken.
 
Ah, the twisted reality of using force. Damed if you, damed if you don't. Shoot a guy and get arrested and sued. Don't shoot a guy and get dead, or sued if you live. There is a growing trend in law enforcement of police officers failing to use enough force..using a tazor when they should be putting rounds on target. Ordering people to drop weapons when they should already be firing. There is hesitation at the moment of truth with guys wondering if they will get fired, sued and arrested, which is a real possibility even if you do it all right.

This case seems to be one of the ones I am talking about. Shooting less lethal rounds at a guy armed with a shotgun? Insanity. Thank God for the guy in the house who had what it took to put a round in X ring.

Anyone ever seen the Randy Vetter video? Randy was a Texas Trooper who was shot in the head on a traffic stop while he sat in his car.(2000) The guy just gets out and charges the troop car with rifle leveled. You can hear Randy yelling for the guy to drop his gun and then he fires two rounds, which miss and the guy fires two from the hip. One of the rounds hit Randy in the head as he was apparently leaning out the window to fire. There is an excellent quality dash cam video wich shows the entire incident. Next to Randy's death rattle breathing throughout the entire video, the most sickening thing about it is the lack of action by the responding units. Female cop shows up and saunters up to the suspect, who is still holding his rifle, without her gun drawn. You can see her walk back into the view of the cam with the guy walking right next to her. She finally takes cover behind her car and orders him to drop the weapon. He refuses and has it leveled at her. At one point he actually chases her around her car with his gun pointed at her and not one of the several cops on scene by that time ever fired at him. He points the weapon at them repeatedly and no one ever shoots. This goes on for 5 minutes, while one of their brothers is dying in his car and no one can get to him to even attempt to render first aid. He finally gets back into his own vehicle and attempts to leave the area. He is stopped by a few rounds to his tires and one of the cops eventually takes him down by tackling him. Randy lived for a few days... I will in no way ever berate a dead cop, but the time for verbal directions is over when someone is charging you with a leveled weapon. He might have lived if he would have started shooting as soon as it was apparent what this guys intentions were. He hesitated to give verbal directions when the shooting should have already started. As for the rest of the cops...their lack of action is by far the worst case of police incompetence that I have ever even heard of. It is just sickening and I honestly hope that every single one of them had the guts to resign, or were fired.

Steve
 
I agree with you Steve154. I used to live in L.A., and the cops were always taking flack for actually doing their jobs. If they shot and killed a BG like they had been trained to do, they would get sued. When they started not fighting back, like after Rodney King and later, Rampart, the savages were running the streets with impunity. I moved to Arizona where I am allowed to actually protect myself now, and have not regretted it.
 
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