Dead Bank Robber Lawsuit

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Maybe I should have posted this on the Only in America thread.
The case that has come to be known as the North Hollywood Shootout is back in the news. It seems that the family of one of the bank robbers killed in the incident is now suing the LAPD because they failed to summon an ambulance quickly enough, thus allowing him to bleed to death from wounds that were "survivable".

www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpnt1w.htm
www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpnt0n.htm

Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm the only person in this country not suing someone for something. This litigation craze has gone from ridiculous to pathetic.
 
Well, guys, someone has to held accountable for the failure of the guys to become respected citizens of the PRK.
After all, that's the message that's being delivered to people. Sue someone, it'll make you feel like you are in control, as if though, you have some power.

I'm surprised that the air news crews aren't being litigated as well. Hell, everybody knows they feed on sensationalism for the ratings...

We really do need a puke smilie.

Best Regards,
Don


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Did anyone see the take of this on TV?? I saw part of it and saw some things that didn't look right. The officer was shown standing over the robber after he was shot and disarmed. He stated that because there could have been a 3rd or 4th shooter they didn't want to allow EMS on scene. "At least for BGs" The clip seemed to show to me a group of officers just milling around with no concern to outside dangers.
Please notice I did NOT see the entire clip and besides it is still limited info. And how it was cut, clipped, and presented will influence what a person sees.
If I hadn't seen that very short clip I would be sneering at the very idea of a lawsuit. But the facts must be known. There have been true life cases where LEO "esp special teams" Read BARF have admitted that "street justice" including deadly force is used when they get pumped up. If there is no limits or consequences the limits will be pushed.
 
I just heard that the LAPD wants to use money gotten from the Tobacco Settlement(ill gotten gains, to be sure) to cover their BUTTS in lawsuits stemming from wide spread corruption within the department. I wonder if this has anything to do with that?

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Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
 
The post by L_Minn reminded me of something I still don't understand about this shootout. I saw the original footage on CNN.

The first time it aired (live?) it showed the BG coming out of the bank and R&R with his A-K until it ran dry. He then discarded the A-K and drew his pistol and after emptying the first magazine stopped to replace it.

At this time the original footage showed him shoving the magazine into the weapon and start to raise it up to shoot again at the police. This is when you could see the gray matter spew out from the right side of his head and the head move in the same direction from the impact of the hit from a sniper or another officers shot.

The next time it aired it stopped at the time he was about to raise his weapon up from replacing the magazine to shoot.

The explanation given for stopping the film was that it was too graphic to show the BG shoot himself in the head.It didn't happen that way! I was told by many that I just made a mistake about what I saw. Not So!

Recently one of my friends came and told me that his Dept. had recieved a training tape of the shootout, and sure enough the bad guy didn't commit suicide.

I haven't seen the training tape yet. Has anyone else made this observation beside me?

Why the big coverup? These were BAD GUYS ! It is a shame that when someone does the job they are trained to do you have to cover your @ss with a coverup like this.

prosouth

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There's no officer involved shooting investigation and no trouble for the officer if the suspect, "suicides." It's quite convienent that he would shoot himself at the very moment that a police bullet hit him. I didn't see the suicide either. I also didn't see the police show any concern for booby traps on the 2nd suspects body, like they are now claiming. I don't have a problem with an officer shooting a suspect, particularly in that situation, but I do have a problem with lying about it.

This "suicide" situation seems to happen pretty often with SWAT team entries. How many times have you heard, "We went in and traded a few shots with the suspect and withdrew. When we re-entered the building, we found the suspect dead, apparently from a self inflicted wound."

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>At this time the original footage showed him shoving the magazine into the weapon and start to raise it up to shoot again at the police. This is when you could see the gray matter spew out from the right side of his head and the head move in the same direction from the impact of the hit from a sniper or another officers shot.[/B][/quote]

.....Isnt this what the experts that analyzed the zagruder tape have been telling everyone for years,,,that the head moved toward the direction of impact by the excavating gray matter?...fubsy.
 
Larry, saw same footage and had this very discussion the day of the shooting (regarding medical attention) everyone I talked to said "***k them, did you see what they did?" now it is coming back to give them problems. Dont know all the facts but there are photos of him lying and looking at camera still alive. On the one hand this guy is totally armored and the next shot all full of holes? Doc said today on stand it was possible he could have survived the wounds. Dont have strong opinion one way or another but will wait and see like everyone else.
 
When I first saw the footage, I thought I saw the get a head shot from an officer when his handgun jams. I told someone he was killed, they said it was suicide. Then I saw it repeatedly on "The Discovery Channel" and I watched closely everytime. It looks like he kills himself. The handguns goes up under his chin, poomph!, he crumples to the ground.

I could care less that they let that one guy bleed to death. That's what happens when you start a shoot-out. My understanding, was that he didn't get any attention because the medics were too busy helping cops/bystanders. But I also heard that they were unsure of a 3rd gunman(on the grassy knol? :D), nothing about booby-traps though.

And I agree, the LAPD needs to stop lying about stuff.
 
It doesn't matter HOW he died as long as he DID !! .Anyone with that much distain for people around him to shoot up the area as he did was on the fast track to Hell anyway .His mother is a Romanian immigrant and is represented by a Romanian speaking attorney . She is playing the poor immigrant routine to the hilt .She appears to be sooooo helpless.She has legal troubles of her own but that's another story . Maybe she is hoping someone will decide she should get a nice tidy sum of money out of court and go back home and be RICH !! .

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While Emil Matasareanu's fate seems to be in doubt, it seems pretty clear that Larry Phillips committed suicide. From footage that I have seen, Phillips drops his pistol (reportedly due to being struck by police gunfire), stoops down to recover it from the sidewalk, and as he stands back up, places it under his chin. If you watch carefully, what appears to be an ejected case flies forward at the same time Phillips' head wound becomes apparent.
 
something on this case was on one of the news bite shows - extra or something like that late at night. basically it presented the fact that this lawyer (steve yagman, famous for bringing all sorts of lawsuits against law enforcement agencies) was suing on the grounds that the police delayed bringing in paramedics on purpose. the show then talks about the police opinion at that time that there might have been other suspects, and that without a secure environment, it would have been dangerous to themselves, as well as ems, if a third suspect opened up on them.

the show then brings up new information in the form of video frame captures of a suspect that was wearing a light colored ski cap, and what appears to be some form of midcalf high boots. what is known about the two suspects that went down was that they had DARK ski caps on, and neither of them wore any boots.
search of the area found a light green ski cap latter one.

the show also talked to the officer who was shown in the video over one of the suspects. the officer said that his life has been ruined by all the stress and fall out from this incident.

the show also interviewed some DA type about the possibility of other suspects, and the DA type basically said they weren't investigating any other suspects at this time.

sorry i can't remember more about the show, it was just on (friday night i think).
 
For what's it's worth - talking to a police friend and ASLET trainer today. His opinion is that if it can be proven that letting the guy bleed out was deliberate then they are in deep doodoo. This is against every training doctrine and is not the way we want the police to act. The posturing is nice but
rather silly in this thread.

That the woman is suing, seems silly as how is she damaged? That is for the courts.

As far as her accent and being Romanian, I expect more from this group. Plenty of scum who speak perfect English - how is this relevant?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glenn E. Meyer:

As far as her accent and being Romanian, I expect more from this group. Plenty of scum who speak perfect English - how is this relevant? [/quote]

I know you are talking to me so I will answer you . It seems that the Land of Opportunity is seeing another opportunistic endeavor . People come here for a better life . My family included . But to see this woman resort to a frivilous lawsuit just because she raised a son with no regard for the lives of others . I would expect that anyone that comes here for a better life would be embarrassed beyond belief to have the world know what they did . I am sure many Americans are also this worthless but of course that is a good description of them as well . She was portrayed as a poor immigrant mother that lost her son . Not my words ....her lawyers . But then again who wants to believe a lawyer . This is the popular gimmick . Sympathy equals money . Many immigrants found a new land with opportunity . Others discovered lawyers .
My wife works in a bank and is shocked by people that get checks because some lawyer convinced them that their Workmens Comp. claim was a free ride . Many say that they don't know why they got the money . The lawyers have bilingual "bird dogs" watching industrial clinics looking for hurt people . Then convincing them they are "hurt more " . Believe me , I am not immigrant bashing but it seems to be a growing pattern of deceit. At least here in So. Ca..



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Still not relevant that she is an immigrant.

Laywers use any hook they can. Many people who have been here a long time are crooks.

I think statements of ethnicity are irrelevant to behavior. Flame me for this.
 
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