DC Zoo Shoot reveals next attack

Waitone

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I listen to the DC mayor on one of the talk shows this morning. The talking head pointed out that DC has some of the strictest laws in the nation and the shooting still happened. The DC mayor's response is, in effect, "Yes we have very strict laws, but we are a small island surrounded by states that do not control guns. Guns know no borders."

Now we see the next excuse for failure of gun laws is because the laws are not consistent.

By the way, did the feds ever think to bust up gangs the way they busted up the Cubans house.

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
"By the way, did the feds ever think to bust up gangs the way they busted up the Cubans house."

Nope, they might shoot back.
 
I've got some news for the D.C. mayor.

If guns know no borders, that includes international boundaries. So, guess what, Mr. Mayor, if guns are banned in the surrounding states, or in the entire U.S. for that matter, they'll continue to flow like drugs into criminal hands in your fair city. Then what will be your excuse for serving up an urban population of sheep as dinner for wolves?
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Does anyone have the stats for the city in VA that's closest to DC? My guess is that any large city in VA will have a lower homicide rate than DC, even though its citizens are allowed to own guns.

The press hasn't jumped on this with the usual frenzy, and I suspect a few reasons:
they'd have to explain DC gun laws; these were gangbangers and not rich kids; they were black; the perpetrators more than likely had extensive contact with the police prior to this.

Dick
 
Does anyone remember the May 1993 Gang Summit in Kansas City? Representatives from all the major street gangs met and signed a truce. It was all over the networks.

The Clinton Administration was there too. I think HUD and Justice Department Reps. These gangs have been pretty much off limits for bad press and federal law enforcement attention since.

When the skinheads stationed at Ft Bragg committed brutal racist murders in Fayetteville NC a few years ago, an intense investigation into extremist gang activity of all types was conducted. The report concluded that street gangs (Bloods, Crips, Gangster Disciples) were much more prevelant then skinheads in the military. Army Times carried the story, but none of the mainstream media did.

In the last few years, I've seen an A&E Investigative Reports story on the Gangster Disciples and that's about it. These gangs seem to have dropped off the radar scope of the national media.

BTW according to Investigative Reports, Larry Hoover's (Gangster Disciples leader) right hand man has been to the White House.

Jeff
 
yep i am getting fed up with the real facts of who commits alot of gun violence.

They captured the 16 year old suspect in the DC shooting tonight.

dZ
 
Yeah - and the news report I saw (brok-jaw i think) said he was a "16 year old 'youth'". Then a 2 minute spot on the owner of a nearby restaurant to the shooting - about how everyone "cried". What hard hitting journalism!!!

JohnDog
 
DC, the city, not the TFL member, is what happens when you have an entire city on crack. Oops maybe that was a cheapshot towards Marion crackhead Berry, a mayor who had repeatedly been absent from his duties as mayor to spend time smoking crack.

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Teenager Charged in Shooting
By Arthur Santana and Phuong Ly
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 26, 2000 ; A01

A 16-year-old youth was charged last night with assault with intent to kill in connection with the shootings outside the National Zoo that left seven youths wounded, one of them critically.

District police arrested Antoine Jones at 6:05 p.m., almost exactly 24 hours after Monday's shootings. They found him in the basement of his grandparents' home in the Trinidad area of Northeast
Washington, hiding behind a heater, said Cmdr. Peter Newsham, of the 2nd Police District.

Police don't have any other suspects in the shootings, said Chief Charles H. Ramsey. Newsham said evidence indicates that only one person was shooting at the zoo and that the shots were fired from
outside the zoo. But he said the investigation is continuing.

The number of charges against Jones, who police said attends Spingarn High School, will be determined today at a hearing in D.C. Superior Court. Jones will be tried as an adult, said Channing Phillips, a
spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office.

An 11-year-old boy who was shot in the head remained in critical condition at Children's Hospital yesterday, and hospital officials disputed police reports Monday night that the youth was being kept on
life support so his organs could be donated.

The youth "is not brain-dead," said Martin R. Eichelberger, the hospital's director of trauma services. "Although the child remains in critical condition, a repeat CAT scan of the head continues stable. He is
responsive to care, and his overall medical condition has improved."

After being closed yesterday--a day when grief counselors visited area schools and President Clinton condemned the violence--the zoo was scheduled to reopen this morning. A flag at the zoo was at
half-staff, passersby placed several bundles of flowers at the entrance and zoo director Michael Robinson had wreaths hung on the gates in sympathy for the young victims.

When police arrived at the home in the 1200 block of Neal Street NE, after first going to Jones's home nearby on Holbrook Street NE, the teenage suspect ran to the basement, said a man at the Neal Street
row house who declined to give his name but said he was Jones's grandfather. The man said he told police where his grandson had gone.

"They went downstairs and came up with him," the man said.

Antoine Jones "is known to police," said Ramsey, who declined to elaborate. Newsham said that as far as police know, the teenager is not a gang member.

Police would not detail how they determined that Jones had fired the shots outside the zoo, but they said they received an unusual number of tips from citizens. Jones had told family members that he was at
the zoo Monday but that he had left before the shooting, the grandfather said.

The man said that the teenager was expelled from school a few months ago for fighting and that he had worried that his grandson was hanging out with the wrong crowd.

"We'd tell him, but you know how hard the guys' heads are," the grandfather said.

Lawrence Smith, who lives next door to the two-story brick house where Jones was arrested, said that the teenager used to take out his 6-year-old grandson.

"They went to the playground together," said Smith, 71. "He played with my grandboy. He looked like he wouldn't harm a flea. I didn't think he would do anything like this. It doesn't make one bit of
sense."

Two women on Neal Street said they would see Jones playing basketball at a nearby recreation center. "This is really a tragedy for his family," one of the women said, declining to give her name. "This is a
lot to be charged with."

Executive Assistant Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer said the suspect was with a group of Trinidad youths Monday on the west side of Connecticut Avenue when he fired across the street into a crowd of
youths, who are from the Mayfair neighborhood in Northeast, standing at the zoo entrance.

Both groups had been involved in an altercation earlier at the zoo, Gainer said. He added that it was unclear whether the victims were part of the groups and what the altercation was about.

Zoo police had notified D.C. police and Metro transit police shortly before 5:30 p.m. that a large crowd of people was leaving the zoo but never called for help in managing the crowd, zoo spokesman
Robert Hoage said.

About 5:40 p.m., two teenagers who had been fighting were arrested by zoo police officers, Hoage said.

At 5:59 p.m., Metro transit police received a call that "there were rowdy juveniles and that we might expect them to be heading toward the subway," said Polly Hansen, deputy chief for the Metro transit
police.

The Trinidad cluster left the zoo and crossed Connecticut Avenue while the group from Mayfair remained at the zoo entrance. The groups then threw bottles at each other just after 6 p.m. from across the
street, Ramsey said. "Then one, on the west side of the street, pulled a handgun and began firing into the crowd," he said.

Four spent 9mm casings were found on the street, leading police to conclude that at least some of the four shots hit more than one person, Gainer said.

Five of seven of the gunshot victims had been released from hospitals by last night. In addition to the 11-year-old boy in critical condition, a 12-year-old girl who was shot in the back was in good condition
at Children's. Five boys, ranging from 13 to 16 years old, were released from various hospitals, officials said. Those boys included a previously unknown 16-year-old victim--apparently shot in the
thumb--who walked into D.C. General Hospital at 2:30 a.m. yesterday for treatment.

Ramsey said that the victims came from a variety of schools and that there doesn't seem to be a connection between a specific school and the shootings. He said that police have contacted school security
but that no extra D.C. police officers have been sent to schools.

"There's no indication that any of this is going to spill over into the schools," Ramsey said.

D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams said the shooting was especially disturbing because it was African American Family Celebration Day, an annual Easter Monday event.

"I think this is particularly a tragedy because this happened on a day of celebrating the African American family," Williams (D) said. ". . .It's a particular tragedy because all of us are tired of talking about
this and we're tired of talking about something that happens all too often."

School Superintendent Arlene Ackerman said crisis counseling teams were sent to the schools attended by those who were shot. Those schools included: Houston Elementary in Northeast, Jefferson Junior
High School in Southwest, Deal Junior High School in Northwest, Spingarn Senior High School in Northeast, Hine Junior High School in Southeast and Woodson Senior High School in Northeast.

"Such incidences are reflective of a larger community problem and speak to the need for a collaborative community effort that will protect our children and ensure that they are safe in school and in their
neighborhoods," Ackerman said.

Patrick Fiel, the school system's director of security, said he and his staff worked through the night Monday with D.C. police to determine the motive for the shooting and identify a suspect.

Clinton addressed the shooting yesterday in the East Room of the White House, at the end of an event touting his hate crimes legislation.

"Let me say in a larger sense, this is part of our efforts to make our country a less violent place. I am grateful that crime is at a 25-year low, that homicides are at a 30-year low, that gun crimes have dropped
35 percent in the last seven years," Clinton said.

"But as we saw just yesterday at the devastating act of violence at the National Zoo here in our nation's capital, where seven young people were shot and wounded in a senseless act, our country still has too
much violence and too much crime."

Zoo officials continued to review Monday's events in an effort to determine whether security was adequate for the large crowds that attended the African American Family Celebration. They also sought to
assure visitors that it was safe to return.

Hoage said 15,000 to 20,000 people visited the zoo on Monday, more than on a peak summer day. And as is standard on busy days, 14 police officers were on duty on the 163-acre campus, twice the
normal staffing.

"In the 111 years since the zoo's founding, there has never been an act of violence like this in the park. It is an aberrant and isolated incident," said Hoage. "We're exploring every aspect of this event
looking for ways to ensure this never happens again."

The following Washington Post staff writers contributed to coverage of the shooting at the National Zoo: Charles Babington, Michael H. Cottman, Stephen C. Fehr, Patrice Gaines, Carol Leonnig, Phuong
Ly, Philip P. Pan and Linda Wheeler. News researcher Bobbye Pratt also contributed.

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Guess what? Turns out little Antoine's father is gang "enforcer" (hitman). If only his firearms had been sold with trigger locks....

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16-Year-Old Zoo Shooting Suspect To Be Charged As Adult

WASHINGTON (AP)--A 16-year-old boy accused of shooting seven children at the National Zoo will be charged as an adult.

Antoine Bernard Jones, who police say is the son of a convicted drug enforcer, is charged with assault with intent to commit murder while armed in the shooting of an 11-year-old boy. Jones, who was arrested Tuesday, will probably face other charges, too, police said.

At his arraignment Wednesday, Jones was ordered held without bond pending a May 12 preliminary hearing. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.

"This 16-year-old acted alone out of anger," said Terrance W. Gainer, the Metropolitan Police Department's executive assistant police chief.

Jones' attorney, Renee Raymond, refused to comment.

Police say Jones is the son of 44-year-old James Antonio Jones, who once was an enforcer for the Rayful Edmond drug ring. Officials said it used to be the largest drug enterprise in the city's history, bringing as much as 1,700 pounds of cocaine into Washington a month.

The elder Jones was sentenced to 29 years in prison after a 1990 drug conspiracy conviction.

Gainer said police know where Jones threw the 9 mm handgun they believe was used in the shootings, but the weapon has not been recovered.


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Good Evening All-

This shooting sure ain't "representative" of firearms usage in America.

The thing that burns me up is that no one dares to speak about the real background of the shooter or the intended victims. These violent monsters (kids) would just as soon kill you as look at you. While not a gambler, I'm willing to wager $20.00 that "Dear Ole' Dad" is no older than 30 years of age and "Sweet Grandpa" is probably no older than 45 years of age.

Now, before anyone starts to warm their flamethrowers...this is NOT about race. It's about RESPONSIBILITY!

Sheesh, I better get a soothing cup of chamomile tea. :)

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
I love the gun-ban logic in places like DC.

We'll make guns illegal to own in our city to make people safer.

Effect: violent crime goes up.

Response: well, the criminals still bought guns from nearby cities.

Wouldn't the logical course of action be to reverse the law since it's causing MORE law-abiding people to die? Of course. Instead they blame the crime increase on the nearby cities.

If the nearby cities did put it into effect, then it would be the fault of the nearby states, and then it would be nearby countries, and then it would be organized crime, etc, etc. No matter what would happen after a gun ban, they would always blame it on the lack of enforcement of something.

There's an old law of reasoning, that an assumption is false (or at least, poorly formed) if no proof of any kind can disprove it.

You see, we'd be wrong if our government could be stopped without violence, or proven that it could never become despotic, or that granny could defend herself against a "biker dude" without a gun, or that we could actually make all guns disappear from the street, but HCI and it's ilk would never admit that they're wrong even if there were a country with lots of arms in the hands of people AND a low violent crime rate... wait, I think it's called Sweeden.
 
Yep, and a while back the Glocks being taken from gangsters in San Francisco weren't being imported by Glock. Yep, our Federal laws can't stop drug smuggling yet alone gunrunning.
 
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