Data needed for rebuttal

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jimc_617

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I want to send in a rebuttal to an odious anti-gun editorial ( http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/12/30/guns/index.html ), and need help in sourcing my facts.

I've heard that 2 million people defend themselves with firearms a year, what is the source of that? And that states with "shall issue" laws have less crime (Lott?)?

The "cop killer" bullet, fact or fiction? I've heard that no cop was ever killed by one, true? Are they armor-peircing?

Is there a court case stating that the police are not obligated to protect you? How many LEOs have been convicted of murder?

Is it true that "sporting arms" are not protected, only militia (ie military) arms are covered by the 2nd amendment?

Is there a case where someone was killed while in the "waiting" period, or while trying to get a trigger lock off?

Is it not legal precedent to expunge juvenile criminal records upon reaching adulthood?

Is/was the SKS used in a high incidence of crimes?

Was Littleton the "biggest" schoolyard massacre, I recall a bigger one sometime in the 1940's?

Is it not true that gun control originated to keep minorities from owning guns?

How is the lawsuit by the SAF going?

Any other court cases I should know about?

Anything else I can throw in?

I'm looking for solid, unimpeachable facts from unassailable sources (court cases, FBI, etc.), preferably on-line, that the anti-gunners would prefer not to be known.
 
Jim - Most of the topics you have raised have been posted and/or discussed here at one time or another. I would suggest using the SEARCH function to go thru the archives as a first step. You find much of what you're looking for, plus a lot of useful links to other sites (check out DC's and other moderators, see the GOA fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs9901.htm-) that examine some of these issues in depth. Good luck and have fun with your research. M2
 
Some of your questions can be answered by going to Links and then DC's web sight. The court case you want is Miller-vs-Us. The two studies that will give you the most info are the Lott and Kleck studies. The Kleck study found that firearms are used in self defence up to 2 million times a year, and that assault rifles and cop killer ammo are bogus. The Lott study is on states that adopt CCDW and the effect on violent crime. I do not have a source but you are right in the late 30's a janitor blew up a school and killed close to 40 . I hope this gets you started, others will know more.

Later
Daren
 
RE: Police obligated to protect

Numerous court cases (Wash DC, NYC, etc and have been noted here over the last year) have definitively stated that the police exist to protect society at large and not the individual. Further, The US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no responsibility for protecting individuals and incur no liability for failure to do so. Check the book Dial 911 and Die by Richard W. Stevens, attorney.
Reviews of it are here: http://www.jpfo.org/dial911anddie.htm
Some case law: http://home.pacbell.net/dragon13/policeprot.html

RE: Worst school Massacre...
Actually the guy was a farmer and a school board member. May 18, 1927 http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=31436

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[This message has been edited by DC (edited January 02, 2000).]
 
"The US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no responsibility for protecting individuals and incur no liability for failure to do so."

DC, or anyone, what is a case name (US vs ??)
that I can refer to? It will come in handy for future "It's the police's job to protect me" rebuttals.

BTW, Salon's letter to Ed address is -- http://www.salon.com/contact/letters/

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[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited January 02, 2000).]
 
Still looking for Sup Ct case.

Here is a link to 28 cases that show
" the Police have no obligation to protect any individual person from harm " (the site's author also states that this list is "by no means complete")
I urge ya'll to read this page.
http://members.aol.com/copcrimes/brophy.html


Oatka...cases heard by the SC do not always have US vs ??...that is only when the original case was a Federal prosecution. When the SC is functioning as an appeal court the original designation is still used: i.e.
Oatka vs Cicci :)
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[This message has been edited by DC (edited January 02, 2000).]
 
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