Darfur: The result of "gun control" is genocide.

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Gun control's best friend

By Dimitri Vassilaros
Friday, April 1, 2005

The slaughter, rape and torment of the citizens of Darfur would end if humanitarian aid included guns.

Darfur is a Texas-size region of Sudan. The Sudanese government and its militia proxies have killed roughly 70,000 civilians, raped and mutilated untold numbers of others and caused about 3 million refugees to live in camps.

Sudan could teach Serbia a thing or two about ethnic cleansing.

This carnage has been going on since 2003. The Sudan People's Liberation Army, a small band of revolutionaries from Darfur, were the only excuse the government needed to wage war on unarmed citizens in the region, who also happen to be fellow Muslims.

As I was reading story after story about the horrific treatment of the innocents by government-backed forces, I always wondered why there was no mention of the victims fighting back.

"Some do defend themselves," said Bill Garvelink, acting assistant administrator for the Bureau for Democracy, Conflict and Humanitarian Assistance in the U.S. Agency for International Development. The United States has given about $600 million since 2003.

"But Sudan has helicopters and AK-47s. People in the camps have machetes," Garvelink said. International treaties covering humanitarian aid prohibit giving any side arms to defend oneself; otherwise no aid workers would be allowed to bring in supplies to a troubled region.

But Sudan is not allowing aid workers much access anyway so the refugees are caught in the middle, he said.

Amnesty International prefers to end the genocide by moral persuasion instead of self-defense.

"We at Amnesty International are not going to condone escalation of the flow of arms to the region," said Trish Katyoka, director of Africa Advocacy. "You are empowering (the victims) to create an element of retaliation.

"Whenever you create a sword-fight by letting the poor people fight back and give them the arms, it creates an added element of complexity. You do not know what the results could be."

But we do know what they are now.

Self-defense could exacerbate the situation, Katyoka said. "Fighting fire with fire is not a solution to the genocide. It is a dangerous proposition to arm the minorities to fight back."

Better they should be slaughtered.

Katyoka hopes the United Nations can do something -- someday -- to stop the killing. She also hopes Sudan's leaders are charged with crimes against humanity in the International Criminal Court. But at this rate, will there be any eyewitnesses left to testify?

Even Dr. Ali B. Ali-Dinar, founder and director of the African Studies Center at the University of Pennsylvania -- who was born and reared in Darfur -- does not believe in arming the victims.

"That could create a vicious cycle of violence," Ali-Dinar said. "The cycle now is mainly orchestrated by the government. Give guns to the traumatized and it will definitely get out of hand. There is no limit then, for them to stop."

He, too, hopes the international community comes to the rescue -- someday.

Darfur is one more reminder that gun control is genocide's best friend.

Darfur is one more example of why "gun control" must be beaten back and why gun confiscation must NEVER be allowed to happen in America. The butchering and carnage has been going on in Darfur for over two years now while the "civilized" nations of the world and the UN have done NOTHING to stop it.

When a government sponsors and/or allows genocide to go on within its borders as the Sudanese government has, it ceases to be a legitimate, soverign government. At that point, it is time for the nations of the world to stop the genocide by any means necessary - if they have the integrity and the courage to do so.

It is a sad and sick commentary on the human condition that genocide is ignored and allowed to continue. It also abundantly illustrates the fact that if a people are unable to protect themselves, no one will stand up for them.

Not the United States.

Not the UN.

No one.
 
lol I gotta ask...do you really think there is a shortage of firearms in the Third World?

These people might not have jobs, might not have homes...might not even have food...but mostly they all seem to have some sort of gun..
 
So... they plan to let the government continue the massacre and say the victims shouldnt defend themselves and just wait for the UN to slap lil charges aganist the perps who aint gonna give a rats ass bout it?

Gee, I wonder where they get that idea from. "If someone breaks into your home and threatens you with a knife, just call the police. They will take care of you." Assuming the police can materalize out of thin air in the 30 seconds it takes for the bg to lay your throat open. :barf:
 
459 shows his true colors

"But Sudan has helicopters and AK-47s. People in the camps have machetes"

Last time I checked, an AK-47 vs. machete sees the AK wielder win every time. Same case when its helicopter gunship vs. machete.

The fact that you can LOL about genocide shows your true colors, 459.
You are the possessor of a truly diseased and twisted mind.

How anyone can find humor in the slaughter of a defenseless people is beyond comprehension.
 
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He appears to think that just because he's seen video on CNN of African-looking dudes with AK-47s that it must mean they were the average person, and not the thugs of some warlord who was actually responsible for the slaughter and poverty of average people.


-blackmind
 
If that stuff was to happen in the US in the future, weather we have our "sporting rifles" or not, the chaos will let people smuggle ALL KINDS OF WEAPONS into the US from South America and by whatever mafias there are in the US. No need to worry about slaughter.;)
 
So why start out behind the 8-ball?

Why let yourself be stripped of guns in the first place? Just because you conjecture that if you need them to defend yourself against genocide, you'll be able to get them smuggled in, in short order?

What if the smuggling thing doesn't work out quite that easily? And what of the people who would die in the interim, as the guns were being smuggled to order? And just who would be responsible for ordering the smuggled guns, and receiving them for distribution among freedom fighters?

If it were up to me, we'd all make sure we had guns well in advance of ever needing them to put down a genocidal government.


But that's just me; and people don't always see my logic.

-blackmind
 
I never said it's ok for the government to disarm people. I'm just saying that if something like that was to happen in the US, there will be people bringing in weapons from other countries.
 
Let's start a list of countries that would be so eager to help the U.S. citizenry topple a dictatorial genocidal regime, shall we? :rolleyes:

Oh, and by the way, they should probably be countries that have armed citizenries, otherwise where would the support for giving the People arms come from, exactly?

That kinda pares down the choices from none, to uh... none.


-blackmind
 
My mistake, I shouldn't have said "people". I should have said "foreign criminals trying to make a buck of off someone elses problems". There, that's better.

You have to realize that if there was such a large amount of chaos like that happening, criminal organizations will sell you weapons for money or other things. It happens in the poor war torn countries all the time. What makes the US any different?
 
If the U.S. government gave a you know what, they would take the bazillion AKs, PKMs and RPGs captured in Iraq and airdrop them into the Sudan.

If you have any belief that the government cares about life, it will be destroyed when you study the Sudan.
 
The article reads just like a JPFO alert. One of their tenets is that "gun control" leads to genocide. I agree.
Josh
 
"Whenever you create a sword-fight by letting the poor people fight back and give them the arms, it creates an added element of complexity. You do not know what the results could be."

So, I guess knowing for sure that the people will be killed is better than giving them the chance to not be killed, because we cannot know if they are going to win or lose?

Methinks its time for a high flying cargo plane to accidently drop a few crates of arms over a village. Maybe have a 'systems failure' or something.
 
The interesting thing about Sudan conflict is that it bears all signs of racial genocide. Put it simple: arab muslims are slaughtering black christians and animists. Black muslims are killed too - because of their black skin.
Somebody heard an outcry from otherwise militant afro-american leaders?
 
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