I've tried, purchased, and traded off many autos for cc; but I keep going back to my sig p250. For me, too many things to like about a DAO, however, I realize I'm in a small group. For those familiar with this platform, why is Kahr becoming so popular and doing so well, whereas the p250 died?
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Kahr is sort of in a different size category than the P250. At times I wonder if Kahr had the popularity it did because of the fact that it was DAO or because they offered small single stack pistols in 9mm before many major manufacturers saw value in doing the same. My impression was more the latter. I wonder if Kahr has seen a decrease in sales now that almost every major manufacturer offers a small single stack polymer pistol. I'd also add the P250 had a mixed reputation at one time, whereas I think Kahr has generally been well regarded (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
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HighValleyRanch
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Kahr also has one of the smoothest DAO triggers around. It's what everyone else has to compare to.
I like the simplicity and effectiveness of Kahr's DAO. But maybe it's because I am well versed on double action revolvers as well.
I can transition from my LCR's to the Kahr seamlessly.
I like the simplicity and effectiveness of Kahr's DAO. But maybe it's because I am well versed on double action revolvers as well.
I can transition from my LCR's to the Kahr seamlessly.
Is Kahr actually doing that well? They haven't made anything new in years other than new colors and adding rails to one model. Seems like every manufacturer these days makes at least a few sub/compact .380's and 9mm's. The Kahr trigger isn't a true DAO either (no restrike), but more of a DA-style pretensioned striker sort of thing.
The P250 had some teething difficulties, and it came out as PPQ-style "single action" striker pistols were catching on. I think part of it is that outside of law enforcement, there is no demand at all for DAO full size semiautomatics.
The P250 had some teething difficulties, and it came out as PPQ-style "single action" striker pistols were catching on. I think part of it is that outside of law enforcement, there is no demand at all for DAO full size semiautomatics.
I agree that the DAO trigger is an excellent choice for a CCW and was the preferred trigger on my last two carry guns, a Seecamp and a Beretta Pico.
I agree with kozak6 that Kahr is not DAO
MandolinMan
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Compared to other pistols and brands, are Kahr pistols hot sellers? I rarely see them on the ranges I frequent. The popularity of DAO and DA/SA as a whole seems to be declining, though both certainly do have a following.
If the firearm you use has shown itself to be reliable and good shooting for you, then what does it actually matter if other shooters "appreciate it"? The pistol has no feelings one way or the other. There are a number of people that actually shoot and have knowledge of carry firearms, but people still have preferences. One person's preferences don't negate another's.
Carl the Floor Walker
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I have the Kahr, and I have two LCR's. Yes both are great triggers. However, I prefer the Double action on the Beretta Nano to be my overall favorite. The Kahr has more free play at the beginning stage, where the Nano is deliberate and smooth all the way.
I just ordered a Smith 642. I know the action will not be as smooth as the Rugers, but have already visited my Smith to get ready and set a date for a trigger job.
It will be interesting to compare after that is completed.
Black Wolf
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Here's a funny -
Between reading the title and reading the first post (and seeing what you had), my first thought was "my P250 is one of the best carry guns I've ever had"
I have the compact 9mm. I love that gun. It is not what I currently carry, but doubt I will ever part with it.
To me, the trigger is SOOOOOO much better than (pretty much) any striker fired pistol I have shot. Doesn't stack, same smooth weight all the way through the pull. No wall, just right.
The downside to mine is - might be a little too light, I actually get light strikes with Tula. I don't remember if I have had any with other ammo. If so, they are very rare (like can't remember if it ever happened rare). Never worried too much about it because, with a true DAO, second strike is always an option.
I was really accurate with that pistol. I am just now getting to the point where I can shoot my carry piece as accurately as I could that gun.
It is crazy that it fizzled out. (To me) It was one of those pistols that stands out.
Between reading the title and reading the first post (and seeing what you had), my first thought was "my P250 is one of the best carry guns I've ever had"
I have the compact 9mm. I love that gun. It is not what I currently carry, but doubt I will ever part with it.
To me, the trigger is SOOOOOO much better than (pretty much) any striker fired pistol I have shot. Doesn't stack, same smooth weight all the way through the pull. No wall, just right.
The downside to mine is - might be a little too light, I actually get light strikes with Tula. I don't remember if I have had any with other ammo. If so, they are very rare (like can't remember if it ever happened rare). Never worried too much about it because, with a true DAO, second strike is always an option.
I was really accurate with that pistol. I am just now getting to the point where I can shoot my carry piece as accurately as I could that gun.
It is crazy that it fizzled out. (To me) It was one of those pistols that stands out.
Agreed.
However, now that I have shot or owned pistols like the Glock 43, M&P Shield, Ruger LC9, and other small single-stack 9mm pistols, I've found that none of them truly perform any better than the CM9 I've owned for a good many years.
The Kahr DAO trigger is truly "good enough" for the role, and my CM9 has been flawless in operation as long as I've owned it.
I'm not sure about today, but manufacturing stats from 2013 show that Kahr (SAEILO, INC) manufactured more pistols than a number of other well-known brands in the US, including Colt and Remington, and almost as many as Kel Tec.
https://www.atf.gov/file/3341/download
That of course was before the introduction of many of its closest competitors.
I don't see the P250 as having truly "died." As I see it, it just "evolved" into the P320, which better meets market trends.
Kahr ? He's spent much time and effort moving from NY to PA which is now his headquarters !! He's very near me now and has all his stuff in the new store .
he's obviously a smart guy . A real entriprenuer starting a gun business in NY state .
His DAO was the first thing that attracted me .Long and smooth it would be fine for defensive carry.
he's obviously a smart guy . A real entriprenuer starting a gun business in NY state .
His DAO was the first thing that attracted me .Long and smooth it would be fine for defensive carry.
I can understand why you like it.
I picked up a P250c 22 to train with as my carry is a P320c.
The trigger on the 250 just amazes me as to how smooth it is.
, but, I would not cc either gun; way too scary for me
.cc-hangfire
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Those who love the SIG P250 are in a small club, and I’m with you there. I have several P250’s and the variety of frame/grip sizes and barrel/slide calibers for home defense, vehicle gun, and general range fun. I have Kahr 9mms for carry. The DA trigger suits me for a defensive handgun.
As far as I’d guess, the reason that the P250 didn’t last is the striker fired P320. Most shooters want a shorter trigger stroke and a shorter reset, and SIG went with the market.
As far as I’d guess, the reason that the P250 didn’t last is the striker fired P320. Most shooters want a shorter trigger stroke and a shorter reset, and SIG went with the market.