Damn S&W for being innovative!

EchoFiveMike

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OK, got my new copy of Shooting Times this morning and S&W has brought out scandium aluminum handguns! We are talking the same size and weight as the titanium guns except in 357 magnum. An 11oz .357Mag! And a 18oz 7shot L-frame 357. Why do they have to be such good innovators but such spineless RKBA advocates? Anybody else see this? Recoil will be wicked but I still need to get one. Somebody hurry up and buy out Smith from those British bastards. I feel like a traitor for wanting one. Semper Fi...Ken
 
Ken, maybe I can help with your dilemma. Turn to page 9 and read "S&W Responds". You'll get over the urge to purchase that new S&W. Apparently even they haven't read the ageement they signed. (I have to admit the guns look pretty good though. But, an 11 oz. 357 Mag? Ouch!)
 
What?! You don't subscribe to Shooting Times?

The S&W response was in the letters to the editor section. They were whining about how "the agreement" was the only course they could take. Each lawsuit was costing a million dollars each even before it got to trial. And how they still want to sell to America's law abiding public.

The topper was the last sentence: "Our commitment to our customers, and to the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, remains steadfast." If they were truly committed, wouldn't they have continued the fight at all cost?
 
Thanks Mal. I thought that maybe you were hinting at the fact that since the signing of the agreement, all new gun designs introduced had to have a height & length equal to ten inches or more (thus, barring them from making poacket pistols like a Kahr MK9, a Colt Pocket Nine, etc.) and this new gun was a little on the short end. Did anyone else catch that?
 
EFM,

11 oz. of .357 Mag! You must be crazy, one tough hombre, or a little of both.

Regarding S&W, don't help them out of the hole. Make them climb out by themselves, clawing and scratching and digging and pleading. This is our chance to send a message to S&W and all other manufacturers: the shooting community won't take this socialist Clinton/Gore garbage. Buy a Taurus Titanium if you must.

Sub
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sub MOA: ... Buy a Taurus Titanium if you must ...[/quote]I swear by S&W pistols but even before the agreement I bought a Taurus snubbie over a S&W.
 
Originally posted by Sub MOA:
EFM,

11 oz. of .357 Mag! You must be crazy, one tough hombre, or a little of both.

190lbs, 6'2" tall, Marine, 8 years service, 4 active, 4 reserve, just reenlisted. So both, I guess. Semper Fi...Ken
 
I have a stainless Smith J-Frame 60 that I don't really trust to hold up to .357 for extended use. I'm skeptical that an 11 oz. Alum. .357 snubby will endure a lot of shooting. Let's see if they "shoot loose."
 
Apart from its bad politics and its disregard for the civil rights of its own customers, the main problem I see at S&W is that quality control has not kept up with engineering and metallurgy. As an example, the other day I looked at two new Mountain Lites (titanium cylinder, L-frame, .44 Special). Designwise they are neat guns: innovative and interesting. But even if S&W had not signed its diabolical pact, I personally wouldn't buy one.

The first Mountain Lite I saw had a long bur along the right inner edge of the rear barrel face, IOW, sticking into the forcing cone. Also, the barrel-cylinder gap was larger on the left than on the right, the cylinder hit the side of the barrel as it swung closed, and there was a timing problem (the cylinder did not rotate far enough to lock by the time the hammer fell on two of the chambers). In fact, IMHO the rear barrel face of this gun was just shy of a mess. In addition to the bur in the forcing cone, there was another, bigger bur outside the rear barrel face on the left. So the rear of the barrel had the look of being crudely sawn from right to left.

On the second Mountain Lite the barrel (or, actually, barrel shroud) was not aligned with the frame, and so the front sight blade and ramp leaned to the right. The barrel-cylinder gap was larger on the right than on the left, and the thumbpiece engagement was rough and hard.

Granted, this is a sample of just two guns. Nevertheless, it seems to me that the use of materials like titanium and scandium, while fine and innovative in itself, is just a gimmick if quality control is lacking when the guns are assembled.

My $0.02.
 
SW should fold. Sell the revolver line and machinery to someone. Their semis are nothing special.

Let life go one without them. Their CEO can
work in a taco stand.
 
I really agree SOMEONE should buy S&W back from the British.

It is a real shame that we would lose this once great company.

A lot of you will wanna kill me for this...but I recently purchased a new L-frame. :0

It's quality/fit&finish is excellent.

Read more about it here: http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=34709834&m=319091191

I would have posted all of the above linked stuff here, but I only recently discovered FiringLine.

;)
 
The only good s&w is a dead one. put all of the pieces of excrement from that company on a slow boat to china along with their lovers clinton and gore.
 
I'm as guilty as anyone else on the S&W bashing in this thread. That belongs in either General Discussion or Legal and Political. Let's just discuss Ken's original topic - the new Scandium/Aluminum revolvers.

I think the one telling sentence that the author of the article, Dick Metcalf, said about the super-ultra-light revolvers is, "...the 11.2 and 11.4 ounce S&W Sc .357 Magnum Models with full-power ammunition simply hurt." And if you follow Dick Metcalfs articles you will know that he finds the .454 Casull and the various Linebaughs pleasant to shoot.
 
So don't load it with super hot ammo. Mid-velocity 125's should be plenty. And a much better alternative to 38 Special +P. Still looks like a fun gun, maybe I'll have to save some money. Semper Fi...Ken
 
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