Cz 85 combat?

flintforever

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I would like to here from guys who own the pistol I shot one the other day at the range great shooter a guy want to sell.I have no clue on CZ pistol will they run as good as SA or Kimber Rock Island .
I am a 1911 frame shooter looking for a 9MM gun seem to be a solid gun but looking at the internal seem a little harder to work on then a 1911
 
I have owned several of the CZ 75/85 pistols and find them to be the next best thing to a 1911. I never bothered with the DA trigger function capability and just used them SA. Later I was able to trade into a 75 SA it has become one of my very favorite pistols. Ergonomics are great. Getting an exceptional trigger is not expensive and they are very accurate. They also have good mag capacity and aftermarket parts are getting quite available now the US has discovered how good they are.
Mine will be going to the match this Sat.
Check out the Orig. CZ forum for lots of info on them.
 
I like mine quite a bit. Easily one of the more accurate guns in my safe and it has never malfunctioned. The only thing I have changed on mine is swapping the plastic grips for some Marschal zebrano wood grips.

They are ambidexterous, adj sights and drop free mags. They also have the best triggers out of the 75 series guns imo.

 
I love mine most accurate 9 I've ever owned and I have bought and sold quite a few. Liked it so much I bought a PCR. Now I have two keepers with permanent residency in my safe.:)
 
This topic came up on a local (NC) forum a day or so ago, and I'll repeat here what I wrote there -- some may find it interesting:

A photo of mine... I noticed a blemish on the front of the frame -- some kind of artifact of when I made the photo. Maybe I wiped something off? It's not there, now.

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The CZ 85 Combat is a continuation of the original CZ-75 guns -- it doesn't have the firing pin block found in all of the "B" model CZs. That, in fact, is what the B originally meant in the CZ model designation. A "pre-B" 75 was an older model without the firing pin block. ("Pre-B" is not an official term, just something CZ enthusiasts came up with to describe the older guns. Unlike old Fords, there ARE B model CZs, but no Model A CZs! :))

The lack of a firing pin block in the 85 Combat is also why it has an adjustable sight: CZ needed something to offset the lack of FPB, to meet US import "points" requirements; adjustable sights did it. You'll find adjustables on some other guns when adjustables don't really seem needed -- as with some small imported .32 and .380 guns.

The 85 Combat is very similar to the 85B. The 85B is simply a 75B with ambidextrous safety and slide release. (The mag release is not ambi, on any of these three models and can't be reversed; it can be reverse on the PCR, the P-01s and some of the other newer models, like the stainless steel guns.)

The 85 Combat can be tuned to have great trigger a bit more easily than any of the 75B or 85B models, simply because there are slightly fewer moving parts to lift or move or polish. If the one you handle has a smooth action, and it wasn't new, it may already be broken in. Mine was pretty nice out of the box. New, they sometimes feel better than similar B models.

The 85 Combat comes with a slightly extended mag release, ambidextrous safeties and slide releases, a mag brake that allows the mags to drop free (common on many of the newer CZ models), a trigger over-travel adjustment, and adjustable sights. The sights are OK, but nothing to get excited about. You can't buy a new CZ-85 without adjustables.

Re: sights. To fit the sights, CZ mills away an area behind the dovetail so that the adjustable sight can be lowered completely. If you take them off, you have an unsightly area, and if you go to different sights, you'll have to find something that looks right.

I've had a bunch of CZs over the years, (25+) and am a big CZ fan. The only CZs I have at the moment are an 85 Combat (with a Kadet Kit), and a P-07 (and two other CZ pattern guns.) If the price isn't a lot more than the standard 75B or 85B, it's certainly worth consideration.

And then there's the Kadet Kit...

The Kadet Kit is a stellar addition to the gun. It's a.22 top end that can be a tack-driver. By design, the top end (barrel) and sights are always aligned; the slide -- a small section in the larger upper assembly (which looks like the slide but isn't) is the only part that moves as it feeds and remove cases. Like most .22s, a fixed barrel gun can be quite accurate!

Remove the mag, pull the slide stop, slide off the 9mm top end, slide on the .22 top end, reinsert the slide stop pin, insert the Kadet Kit mag, and you're ready to do .22! When I got my Kadet Kit I also had a gorgeous stainless Ruger MKIIO Government model with the long slab-sided barrel; I eventually traded it for a nice .45, because the Kadet Kit was just as accurate.

The Kadet Kits are expensive. ($250+ used, almost $400 new.) And the standalone Kadet (a 9mm frame with the .22 top end) is no longer being made.​

CZs are known for their outstanding ergonomics -- like Browning HPs and 1911s. They also have a good reputation for accuracy and durability. While it's taken a good while for them to become known in the U.S. shooting community -- they are still hard to find in some parts of the country -- they've made big strides in the last few years.




 
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I'm left handed and I don't think the ambi slide release is very useful. The ambi safety and lack of a FPB are nice additions though, as are the adjustable sights.
 
hAkron said:
I'm left handed and I don't think the ambi slide release is very useful.

Indeed. That's a point of continuing contention here and elsewhere. :p

My strong hand thumb doesn't reach far enough to use the slide release with that hand, and MANY shooters prefer a hand-over-slide release method (which doesn't care whether your left-handed or right handed.)

Another point: the larger, easier-to-use SA slide releases will apparently work on the 85 Combat, and I've been sorely tempted to replace mine wiht the "better" safety levers of the SA guns.

Once, when I was trying different CZ slides on different CZ frames, I mistakenly put the 85 Combat slide stop pin in a 75 Compact. It took about 3 shots before the slide stop broke...

That's because (I think) the end of the 85 Combat slide stop is made differently (to fit in the right-side release mechanism), and isn't fully supported by the frame and a gun that doesn't have THAT lever installed (which is all other CZs using the same frame, but which aren't ambidextrous).

That means that as the slide stop is pressed by the barrel (when it moves to the rear or to the front during the firing cycle) the barrel lug isn't kept flush against the pin. That slight misalignment means that the the edge of the barrel lug can act like a chisel against the slide stop pin.​

Those of you who have an 85 (B or Combat) and other CZs, don't do something stupid, like I did!!

That was clearly a user-induced failure. :(
 
Working on CZ75's

It's not too difficult to change things around with CZ75's apparently.

Cajungunworks seems to be the main place folks go to for affordable "upgrades". Well, that is after you shoot the snot out of it as is because it likely doesn't NEED anything. You could think of it like alterations or adjustments to trigger pull weight, pull length, overtravel, takeup, reset length etc.
 
I may have to pass on the 85 model.I did re-test the gun last night and there was a major problem I did not realize when shooting double taps .The stock trigger re-set to far forward for my trigger finger :I wonder can the trigger be change with out breaking the bank?
I shoot a short trigger STI on my 1911 frames
I wonder are all the CZ have that forward sweep on the triggers?
I may have to go to the next choice a Rock Island or a Ruger SR9.
I shot a Ruger SR9 last week and to tell the truth the gun did drive tacks shot excellent trigger had a little gritty feeling but not all that bad.
I shoot the SA 1911 in competition and I am looking for a 9MM for steel plate matches.I have no interest in CC I have my Ruger LCP for every day carry.
 
Cajun Gun Works has a shorter trigger kit, but once you buy the parts (and, if you don't install them yourself) any price advantage you've enjoyed is lost.

(Sorry -- I misread your comment -- or didn't read AS COMPLETELY as I should have, as you spoke of double taps... Ignore the stuff below given your issues-- as only the Shorter trigger would work. This is a later adjustment to my original response.

The other option would be to convert to SAO, and install the CZ two-way adjustable trigger, which lets you adjust both take up and over-travel. It makes for a nice trigger, but it won't work with a gun with DA mode still active. Properly tuned, which you can probably do yourself, the 85 Combat in SA could be both short and very impressive.

Sorry for the initially inappropriate responses, below -- but I'll leave them there for others who don't like the long DA trigger pull but don't find the reset off-putting.

One of the disadvantages of the CZ DA/SA trigger is the trigger pull length. It's a function of a trigger system designed to let it function like a DA gun or a SA gun, from the start.

The trigger pull should NOT be much of an issue of you carry or start from cocked & locked. (It doesn't reset to the same position as when you dry fire and let the hammer stay down.) Try the gun again with that in mind, and remember, that after the first shot, the slide is cocking the hammer for you.

With the 85B you can also start from the half-cock position, which shortens and lightens the trigger pull. It's probably not as good an idea to do that with a gun that doesn't have a firing pin block.
 
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