CZ 75B is Turkish Army Surplus???

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wild billz

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I posted about comparing the cz 75B with the Ruger, and the response was overwhelmingly cz. I called the gun shop that was selling them for 350 and they had just sold the last one. I called anotherplace that was selling it for 359 with only 2 10rnd mags not the 10 rnd and 15 rnd, they need to order it. I called the last place where I knew they had one and it was 440, and this guytold me those others would be Turkish Army surplus. First, wouldn't these places have to tell me if it was used, or surplus, second how bad is that? The expensive place told me lower quality, less finish... What's the story, nd what other pistols are in the same price range of 300-350 that are decent quality? thanks, i may still order one, i'm going to visit the places again and ask if they are surplus.
 
...The expensive place told me lower quality, less finish...
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Utter hogwash. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the the Turkish surplus version. In fact, I can think of only four differences, and three of them are improvements:

The first difference is the grips. The Turkish guns come with an
ergonomic" thumbrest grip. If you don't like them, CZ will sell you a standard set for $8.

The second difference is that the milsurp guns are black polymer coated, not blued. The bluing on the standard CZ is pretty, but it doesn't hold up anywhere near as well as the milsurp's polymer coating.

The third difference is that the milsurp version comes with one or even two 15rd mags. The regular version only comes with two 10rd mags.

And the fourth (and best) difference is the price. The Turkish contract guns have a lower price.

I own or have owned six variations of the 75B. And of all of them, the Turkish milsurp had the best out-of-the-box trigger. And to top it off, it's a tack driver. I paid $309 fpr my Turk, plus $12 shipping and a $20 transfer fee. $341 out the door.

Anyone who pays $440 for a 75B hasn't looked around. CZ's are fantastic bargains --- but no need to over pay for one.

Take care. Marko
 
A heads-up - it IS true that the so-called "Turkish" 75B's are all sold from the distributors. Before they started getting popular, there were newer production guns going for the same price. I think $440 or $450 will be the new street price soon. A local dealer got in three batches in the last few months, selling for $350, then $400, and now $420 and he sells out in about a week each time.

I have a polymer gun (85C) with the wooden grips and whenever I take it out at the range people are impressed. Don't get mental over $20, it'll be a great pistol for you.
 
Hi wild billz, welcome to TFL. Marko summed it up real good. A few months ago I bought a CZ 75 B "military" I guess is what there're called.
This thing is a great pistol and a incredible value. Could be the best value on the market today. All steel (solid), super reliable, and one of the most accurate nine mills I've ever shot.
I can't say enough about these CZ75 B "military's". Excellent pistols. Best Regards, J. Parker
 
The CZ-75B Military models aren`t Turkish army surplus. They were made to fill a contract for the Turkish armed forces that the Turks canceled after the guns were made. They were never delivered so they were never actually Turkish. They`re an awesome gun for a great price though. The thumb rest grips are different than those on other CZs and some don`t like em (some do). I didn`t and I liked the gun a LOT so I splurged and bought it a set of Hogue checkered cocobolo wood grips. The finish (black polymer coating ie. black powder coating over mil. spec parkerizing) is a popular finish on all CZs. It`s very tough and easy to keep clean. FWIW the sights also have glow-in-the-dark dots in them. They`re not *real* night sights but they glow for a few minutes after being exposed to bright light. Not real useful I guess but it can`t hurt. ;) Anyway,mine is my favorite pistol,very accurate,well made,strong and reliable to the point of being boring. The factory hi cap is a $45 bonus. BTW if CDNN still has their Promag hi caps for $16.99,they`re actually Witness mags but they function great in my CZ. Marcus
 
to willdbillz

Now that you have heard all the praise I will give you the other side of the story.

Whenever any company, even the prestigious firm of FN who makes the famous High Powers makes a contract run the fit and finish is never up to the high standards of the commercail grade guns. Unless the world has started spining in a differnet orbit the same would be true of any contract guns made by CZ.

The point is this. Look at the weapon you are going to buy very carefully because workmanship often varies much more in contract guns no matter what brand and who made them. I am not saying that they are not a very good buy or that you will not get one that shoots very well but do not expect the high degree of workmanship that you would expect in a commercial made gun of the same model. This has been my experience in collecting 9mm automatics over a 35 year period of time in both contract guns and commercial variants.
 
cz 75bsurplus

thanks for the input, the one dealer that was selling them more expensively said they were made in 1996, would that be about the time the Turks cancelled the order, also i'd have to order one, and it wont be in until next week (monday or tuesday) would i be obligated to buying it if it didn't met my expectations? I guess thats more of a question for the dealer. Also, as surplus (even unfired) stil better than a new ruger kp90? As the one seller of the militry cz said they are military proven where the ruger isn't. also, any input on a taurus pt92?
 
Don't get wrapped around the axle on the "military" part - believe me, civilian boots and packs are much better than any military gear.

The "mil contract" pistols will be older - 96 would fit. They will have the thumb grip instead of straight grips, and will have at least one high capacity magazine. Some dealers pull out the high-cap mags and give you 10 rounders instead. You can get high caps from a couple of guys on the CZ Forum - www.czforum.com - for $35-40. Some people have had good luck with the Promags, some not, so beware.

At $450 most would say it is still a better pistol than the Ruger. I'd get the newest manufacture, myself, given a choice.
 
For $450.00 look into the 85 combat

Before i would spend $450.00 on the 96 milsurp model I would defeinitely look into the 85 combat model. picked up one for $439.00, has ambi safety, ambi slide stop and adj. sights with dual tone finish. You won't go wrong with either one, also the 22lr kadet adapter is one of the best and easiest to change over on the market. Spend and enjoy!
 
Make no mistake, Ruger's are excellent pistols. I like the Ruger P-90 alot. A new P-90 will cost you probably $100 more than a CZ75 B.
What you need to do is forget this word "military". The CZ75 B was contracted to go to the Turkesh army but never did. Their loss, our gain. The CZ75 B military is probably THE best value on the market today.
It was made in '96, packed in a plactic bag with a bunch of oil in it. This gun is new, this gun is bad, this gun is ROCKIN'.:)
 
Oh, sorry I didn't read far enough back. $450 is ridiculus for a CZ75 B military. No way they're that pricey.
You just simply can't go wrong with a CZ or a Ruger P-90. There's no way I'd get a Taurus 9mm given the choice of the other two. Good Luck, J. Parker
 
Just picked one up. The 96' marked guns are the Turkish Military Contract overflow. Mine has superb fit and finish. $339 +tax is what I paid. You should be able to find em for under $360.

P.S. I like the tumbshelf hand grips.
 
Just got back from a local store, the dealer is a CZ Distributor. (Stocking Dealer.) Had both; and others in the case. Turkish Mil was $359 w 2mags; 10 and 15 rnds. New 75SA w 2 10 rnd mags, $389. Both parked. Mil lacks the Firing Block safety, IIRC, and new SA has ambi safety and mag drop-free feature. Tough call when you're a southpaw. Gotta sweat it some.:confused: (Do I REALLY want a satin nickel SA?)

BTW, spoke to both Mike and Marty at CZ this week; NO ambi features anticipated on any compact from the factory anytime soon. But they'll keep hammerin' away.:(
 
>>> Turkish Mil was $359 w 2mags; 10 and 15 rnds. New 75SA w 2 10 rnd mags, $389. Both parked. Mil lacks the Firing Block safety, IIRC, and new SA has ambi safety and mag drop-free feature. Tough call when you're a southpaw. Gotta sweat it some. (Do I REALLY want a satin nickel SA?)

This is not correct. The "Mil" pistols are 75B's. The B stands for Block - as in firing pin block. The 75B SA is a single action only version with a free fall magazine - a flat mainspring cover is available if you want that on the 75B. The model with the ambidextrous safety and slide stop is the 85. Only much older ("Pre B") 75's don't have the block. The CZ 85 Combat does not have a firing pin block (I have one).

www.cz-usa.com
www.czub.cz
www.czforum.com
 
Will-
I'm confident it was as you've described; at this time the "fit" was a greater priority than slide markings. Gonna have another go around before I decide.

WG-
Thanks for the correction. Didn't know the "mils" were "B".
(Happily) surprised to discover the SA's are ambi; AND free-fall.
85 Combat is not a "B"? Nice to know; I get so confused with their product line-up sometimes. Even this dealer doesn't have them all; claims CZUSA is so back-ordered......

BTW- nice store; good people. Look forward to doin' business there. But not a satin nickel ANYTHING in the entire inventory.
Tough to reach a decision.:(
 
Just look out

I've had very bad luck with CZs. Seems like most have had good luck.

Make absolutely sure you check out the safety lever. It should lock smartly into place and require effort to unlock. I've come across three NIB CZ75B MilSurps that had loose safeties, they would easily drift by themselves from the locked to the unlocked position. I know this isn't a representative sample, but just make sure you don't end up with a faulty one. :eek:
 
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