This is the std. double and single action model with a safety. Anyone shooting these well as a range gun without a trigger job? I like the CZ, quality and reliability are there, factory sights are good enough. There's no question it has a great reputation as a service pistol but I don't know if I want to spend what looks like will be around at least 1/3 the initial cost of the gun (could easily be more) for a decent trigger job. Is that usually necessary for most shooters to get consistent accuracy using these as a range gun?
CZ 75 B trigger?
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StumpShooter
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Mine is great. I'm not sure about bullseye shooting competively, but I'm pretty good with mine. 2000 rounds and zero malfunctions. The video below shows me shooting mine after only shooting centerfire handguns for about a year. I also had a SAR Arms b6p which is a copy for a comparison and the Cz trigger was better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyevyCXYotA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyevyCXYotA
sigarms228
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Within the last year or so any CZ75 pistol I have tried at LGS dry firing had a nice SA trigger pull but not so good DA trigger pull. Good news is a simple hammer spring change like a 15LB one will make DA much better if DA is a concern but for range use for you it may not be.
The SA trigger pull on the SP01 my son bought 6 or so years ago was OK at best when new but I still loved shooting that pistol and often could put a magazine into a two inch or better group at 21 feet. The trigger got a lot better after 1000 or so rounds fired. Dry firing can show same results but recommend using a snap cap for dry firing.
IMO with the current CZ75 production one will get a pretty nice SA trigger with a new pistol.
The SA trigger pull on the SP01 my son bought 6 or so years ago was OK at best when new but I still loved shooting that pistol and often could put a magazine into a two inch or better group at 21 feet. The trigger got a lot better after 1000 or so rounds fired. Dry firing can show same results but recommend using a snap cap for dry firing.
IMO with the current CZ75 production one will get a pretty nice SA trigger with a new pistol.
Walt Sherrill
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Trigger jobs don't make guns more accurate; they just make it easier for the shooter to shoot the gun accurately.
An aftermarket hammer, from Cajun Gun Works or the CZ Custom Shop (basically a "drop in") will improve the SA trigger. A lot of dry-firing will help improve the DA (first) trigger pull.
You can shorten the trigger pull length with kits from either of those sources, but unless you really plan to doing a lot of DA first shots, the trigger pull length shortening is likely NOT a necessary upgrade; most folks with (safety-equipped) non-decocker CZs don't start from hammer down any way; they tend to start from cocked (or cocked and locked, if carried).
If you plan to dry fire a lot -- which will smooth up the DA trigger pull -- and you're getting a new CZ (which should come with the solid firing pin retention pin), you don't need a snap cap; if you've picking up an older model, which might still have a roll pin (or doubled pins) in that position, you might want to get an A-Zoom snap cap set, to prevent POSSIBLE damage to the firing pin retention "roll" pin.
A good action job for any gun will cost about the same, and darned guns few really come from the factory with a GREAT trigger. If you can get a first-rate action job for 1/3 the cost of the gun, it's arguably a bargain.
If I were looking at a new CZ, I'd give serious though to the CZ P-09 (or P-07) -- both are very nice guns and come with pretty good triggers from the factory. Both are becoming the darling CZ shooters. I picked up a used P-07 last years (an early "Duty" model), and it's one of the best-shooting CZs I've owned. The latest P-07s and P-09s are the same basic gun with arguably better grips.
An aftermarket hammer, from Cajun Gun Works or the CZ Custom Shop (basically a "drop in") will improve the SA trigger. A lot of dry-firing will help improve the DA (first) trigger pull.
You can shorten the trigger pull length with kits from either of those sources, but unless you really plan to doing a lot of DA first shots, the trigger pull length shortening is likely NOT a necessary upgrade; most folks with (safety-equipped) non-decocker CZs don't start from hammer down any way; they tend to start from cocked (or cocked and locked, if carried).
If you plan to dry fire a lot -- which will smooth up the DA trigger pull -- and you're getting a new CZ (which should come with the solid firing pin retention pin), you don't need a snap cap; if you've picking up an older model, which might still have a roll pin (or doubled pins) in that position, you might want to get an A-Zoom snap cap set, to prevent POSSIBLE damage to the firing pin retention "roll" pin.
A good action job for any gun will cost about the same, and darned guns few really come from the factory with a GREAT trigger. If you can get a first-rate action job for 1/3 the cost of the gun, it's arguably a bargain.
If I were looking at a new CZ, I'd give serious though to the CZ P-09 (or P-07) -- both are very nice guns and come with pretty good triggers from the factory. Both are becoming the darling CZ shooters. I picked up a used P-07 last years (an early "Duty" model), and it's one of the best-shooting CZs I've owned. The latest P-07s and P-09s are the same basic gun with arguably better grips.
larryh1108
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I think that it depends on what you want in a range gun trigger. As others have mentioned, the SA trigger is very acceptable for range use. However, if you are comparing it to (or want it to be like) a tuned, 1911 trigger then you have some work to do on the trigger. If you like shooting out the center of the target at 10 yards, the CZ is more than capable if you are. If you want to compete in bulls-eye competition where .25" makes a difference then I guess your trigger could be better. It is subjective to each individual shooter.
CZ 75 B trigger
Thanks to all for the info. I'm going to give it a few hundred more rounds with the stock trigger setup and see if my SA shooting improves. If my shooting doesn't improve I'll call Cajun Gun Works and CZ Custom for their opinions on what parts they carry I can install myself to improve the SA trigger pull.
Thanks to all for the info. I'm going to give it a few hundred more rounds with the stock trigger setup and see if my SA shooting improves. If my shooting doesn't improve I'll call Cajun Gun Works and CZ Custom for their opinions on what parts they carry I can install myself to improve the SA trigger pull.
sigarms228
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Do you have other pistols that you are shooting significantly better with than your CZ75B?
A CZ 75 has probably the best stock Da/SA trigger pull you can find. At least arguably one of the best. The DA trigger cant compare to some of the better ones I've felt (Sig), but its not bad and the SA pull is phenomenal. You will not need a trigger job to shoot quite well with a 75B.
Walt Sherrill
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5whiskey said:
I'm a big CZ fan, and a long-time enthusiast, but I think you're "overselling" the factory trigger on a NEW CZ. And while I'll agree that you can shoot quite well with a stock (new) 75B, the trigger is unlikely to be at its best when you first get one.
Back when I still bought new CZs, something I haven't done in years, I'd take the gun to my gunsmith for immediate attention. It arguably cost less than shooting a lot of ammo -- to smooth out the trigger -- and I didn't have to deal with the "new" trigger.
A new CZ will generally have a mediocre trigger (not terrible, but not great), but it will improve after a lot of dry-firing or live fire. It may take the equivalent of 300-400+ rounds. The SA trigger may be fairly good, but the hammer will typically CAM (move to the rear before it drops), making it the hammer drop less crisp than it could/should be.
Properly tuned, with after-market parts installed, a CZ trigger can come close to a very good 1911 in terms of crispness -- but it'll take work. Just broken in, a stock (new) CZ will be as good as most guns, and better than many.
A used CZ's trigger will generally be smoother. Surprisingly, the much-feared (because of crappy customer service) EAA (Witness/Tanfoglio) CZ-pattern guns have better triggers when new than do CZs. And the Sphinx SDP, which is also a CZ-pattern gun, is much, much better (and a good bit more expensive.)
The CZs intended for IPSC competition are a different class of weapon, and typically have outstanding triggers. Many of the Turkish-made CZ pattern guns are reputed to have good triggers, but again, I have no direct experience with these guns.
Installing one of the aftermarket hammers seems to be a cost-effective way of improving the CZ SA trigger. I've not done this with any of my many CZs over the years, but have shot CZs with these hammers installed (and no other significant work done), and found them to be impressive -- and it seems to get rid of the "camming." I have had a tuned SA CZ that was tuned before I got it, and it was great!
The new Omega-triggered CZs typically seem better out of the box than the older style, although I'm told (I have no direct experience in this matter, either) that a "tuned" old-style trigger can be much better than a "tuned" Omega trigger. That said, I picked up a used P-07 last year, and it has one of the best CZ trigger I've owned -- and it was just shot, not tuned. I'll be looking for a used P-09, one of these days.
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Walt Sherrill
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Skans said:
Every Witness I've owned (except a .45 Sport Long Slide) came with good (and sometimes great) triggers. I think the Sport Long Slide was an earlier incarnation of the Stock. My SLS improved with some polishing and dry-firing.
Some years back I had an ASAI One Pro, a gun from Magnum Research. I think it was Tanfoglio-based and came in .45. It had the smoothest, lightest DA and SA trigger I had ever experienced -- so light that I eventually sold it, as it was lighter than I could handle. (That was before I was smart enough to know that all I needed to do was find some heavier hammer springs... Duh!)
I've had several of the 2000-series Sphinx pistols, and they all put everything else that was DA/SA to shame (but like CZs and even Witnesses, they all had a LONG DA trigger). My current Sphinx SDP -- I own one and have handled and shot two others -- also has a very nice DA/SA trigger, once you replace the heavier factory hammer springs with springs for compact CZ-75s-based guns. Finding the right weight is the key.
My Lionheart LH9 also has a very nice trigger -- but it's a bit heavy (and I'm still working on finding lighter hammer springs for it.) Very smooth and crisp.
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Haven't done a close study of this, but my impression is that the camming seen on the hammer when pulling the SA trigger is due to something that changed in the "B" model.
Most of the CZ-75 clones are based on the original design, not the "B" variant and therefore don't exhibit the camming effect seen in the new CZ-75B pistols.
Walt Sherrill
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JohnKSa said:
I think that's true -- but I don't think the camming was really there (or as obvious) with the early 75Bs... I think it has something to do with changes in the angle of the hammer/sear interface; the aftermarket hammers available from the CZ Custom Shop and Cajun Gun Works [CGW] seem to make the problem go away or become much less noticeable. (I think that David Milam's [at CGW] adjustable sear for the 75B also seems to address the problem.)
Some of us CZ lovers, when we're in a snarky mood, attribute the change to CZ's corporate attorney's trying to minimize the company's liability "risks" associated with too-light SA trigger pulls. But that's all conjecture...
I've installed the CGW hammers in two pistols now and to me personally they make a notable difference in the SA feel. They've taken out that camming mentioned above and left a trigger with some take up and a very clean break. If your main goal is improving the single action trigger it's not a bad way to go.
I have a hard time telling others how good a trigger pistols have stock. I've found what people expect in terms of a trigger can be quite different. I never had any issue getting consistent accuracy with the CZs I owned as they came stock. For me CZs have always shot well. I did the part install more out of curiosity to see how good I could get the trigger with drop in parts.
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I have a hard time telling others how good a trigger pistols have stock. I've found what people expect in terms of a trigger can be quite different. I never had any issue getting consistent accuracy with the CZs I owned as they came stock. For me CZs have always shot well. I did the part install more out of curiosity to see how good I could get the trigger with drop in parts.
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