CZ 52 7.62x25 question

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It occured to me that since it's a 30 caliber using a 80 grain bullet that couldn't you load Sierra BTHP or Nosler balistic tips in these rounds?

Would they expand with just 30 carbine power?

I'm considering getting one, Do any of you own one? Do you like it? Am I making a mistake? What accuracy / range do these things have?

I've gone all over the internet looking and I've seen plenty of claims but I'm taking this to Glock Talk and TFL for the final authority.

Any insight would be appreciated
 
I have held (in a plastic bag) Tok rounds with .223 sabots that were designed to raise hell with living tissue sans traceability from rifling signature etc. I have yet to pick my CZ up off layaway but I have thought about the possibility of using "other bullets".
What an impressive round!

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The overall length of 1.380" cannot be exceded and fit in the magazine of a CZ52. For this reason round nose bullets are chosen. I have corresponded with individuals who have used .223 sabots. If they were not just getting a single shot, but rather feeding, they must have seated the bullet so deep that little room was left for powder.

I have drilled a hole in a 86 gr .308 round nose, and pounded a .223 tracer in the hole. That load seems to set of the tracer just fine.

For those load book fundamentalists, Accurate Arms new load book has 42,000 cup loads for the CZ52 only. This is a big improvement over the old load book loads of 25,000 cup for all 7.62x25mm pistols.
 
Ok, Starline makes new 7.62x25 Tokarev brass. I load for my CZ52 with 8.0 grains of Accurate Arms #5 behind the Sierra 86gr RNSP bullet for over 1500 fps on my Chrony. The top load to date had been 8.5 grains, but I got primer sooting. I will try 8.4 and see what the Chrony says. The gun is very accurate, and lays down the 50 yard steel plates like nobody's business. Even the 100 yard silhouettes go down handily. Now, about that muzzle flash and report...

Honestly, for the $150.00, it's a heck of a gun. Surplus ammo is out there and is quite stout, and now you can handload to near that level. I changed out my grip panels for the Hogue walnut ones, and did a little tweaking of the trigger for a cleaner pull, but otherwise left it stock. There are aftermarket 9mm barrels, but then you kinda throw the baby out with the bathwater in the CZ52.

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ammo and lots of info,i love mine......
http://www.owlnet.com/quality/index.html.
more ammo below.......... http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/default.asp http://www.centuryarms.com/ http://www.empirearms.com/ http://www.jgsales.com/
Centerfire Systems,
Inc(1-800-950-1231)......7.62x25 S&B
non-corrosive boxer primed in quantities of 1000, 500 or 50 rounds.
RTC Sports, Inc (1-800-686-7824).....7.62x25 Sellier&Bellot non-corrosive boxer primed in quantities of 1000, 500, or 100 rounds.
Gibbs Rifle Company (304)262-1651.....7.62x25 Czech lacquered steel cases in 2,280 rounds per case quantity.
need to call the cz company? here you go.....
CZ-USA P.O.
Box 171073 Kansas City, Kansas 66117-0073 Phone: (913) 321 1811 or (800) 955-4486 Fax (913)
321 2251 e-mail: czusa@gvi.net Staff names: Alice, Joseph, and Robert
info on manufacturer.
The CZ-52 was a short recoil roller locked pistol firing the 7.62mm (m-4 cartridge. It was designed by Jan Kratochvil and manufactured by Presne Strojirentsvi, Uhersky Brod, in Moravia. It carried the factory code "rid."(mine is a rid model! ) )
(Other post-WWII codes of this factory were "AYM," "tgf," and "she."
None of these codes were found on the CZ-52 pistols.) The Czech Army adopted the CZ-52 on May 17, 1952.

BARREL CONVERSIONS
ok the 2 numerals in the side of the frame denotes the year built:ie:52-55 etc means.the nid or rid means its a brno plant in czeck built pistol.the t on the barrel chamber means its been proofed and tested.crossed swords denotes service pistol.if your going to get a 9mm barrel ,do it,easy to replace ,just follow directions .first remove the slide,now find a drill bit to fit the hole on lock block,make sure to push both rollers in towards the middle and then pullit forward to muzzle and up you now can slide the barrel out.IF you get the 9x19 barrel theyre are some modifacations you must make to the extractor ;namely removing it from slide and then rounding the lower corner along the exposed length so it slides over the rim of the rd. ,thats it.done with mods.reinstall the extractor .the 9x19 or 9x18 rounds are short in the magazine well with the caliber conversion barrel but the 147 gr.will work well in the cz as well as the 115 gr. 9mm ammo.so dont freak out when you stack the mag up and see a short round in a big mag space,they feed ok in mine no sweat.it works .i chose the 9x19 barrel purely out of availability and a wider range of loads given.some guys have made mag followers and blocked theyre mag walls with a 3\16th
strip but theyres no need for that.keep in mind that now adays the 9x19 nato is the
cheapest to get in all the different 9 sizes for the cz.what i want is a barrel in 38 acp
colt for my cz52!..............
MOST IMPORTANT STAMPING MARK OF ALL
look for a Z stamping on the trigger gaurd.this means its had the new hammer decocker safety installed ,if not and its a century arms piece ,send it to them after a phone call they will do the fix and send back for free. theyre have been reports of cz's going off when lowering hammer with decocker method.its on either side of the trigger gaurd near grip. for you tokarev shooters of the t33 heres a 9mm barrel conversion from sks man 40$!!!!!
www.sksman.com/access/tokarev.html

my trigger mods for more accurate shot placements after last shootin session i decided to hone out the sear and hammer and all faces on the trigger bar etc.markedly notable improvement now on the general feel and use of it compared to the way it was as.next im working on a overtravel fix to keep that trigger from over traveling
when shot ala adjustable so i can get just a 1\16th of space between it after shot is fired off. will probably be located inside the frame as i look at this now.will keep posted,just thot id share another mod. with ya all.i also buffed out the firing pin as well with jewelers rouge to a nice polish,on the sear and hammer and bar faces i used a 800 grit silicon stone for that.you may have a hard time getting the end tab that makes contact to the trigger bar polished but take your time it can be done if carefully approached right with out zapping the
rest of the fullcock step as well on the sear itself.it really makes for a much better feel and shot now imho........


this is from mikes site.....

After WWII the Czechoslovakian Military was looking for a first class military sidearm. Trials were held beginning in 1948, and several prototypes were tested including some in 9mm parabellum. None of the early prototypes were found to be acceptable and in 1950 Ceska Zbrojovka (Bohemian Arms Factory) concentrated it's efforts on a design based on the Russian 7.62x25mm caliber.
Initial tests in 1951 on this design were also unsatisfactory. An improved pistol was tested again in early 1952 and was adopted by the Czech Armed Forces in May of 1952 as the Model 52 (or CZ- 52). The contract for the Model 52 began in 1952 and was completed in 1954. Exact quantities produced are unknown but estimated at between 200,000 and 220,000 pistols. The Model 52 employs a roller locking system thought to have been inspired by the German MG-42 machine gun. Roller locking designs have also been used successfully for years on many Heckler and Koch rifles but are seldom seen on pistols. The Model 52 has a three position frame
mounted safety lever. In the downward position a red dot is visible and the pistol is ready to fire. In
the middle position the safety blocks the trigger bar and engages the hammer rebound notch. In this "safed" position the pistol can be carried cocked & locked or safely unloaded. Pushing the lever all the way up decocks the pistol. The magazine is held in place by a lever at the bottom rear of the magazine well. There is no magazine safety. Originally manufactured with a nice light grey parkerized finish many CZ-52's can be found on the surplus market with a dark blue (hot dipped)finish. These pistols were part of a refurbishment program in the late 70's and can also be identified by the letters "VOZ" plus the year of re-work stamped above the trigger. The CZ-52 is a great shooter, and right now there is an abundance of surplus ammo available. Norinco makes a steel case non-corrosive (so they say) commercial ammo. I found it to be a bit anemic, and I have heard that steel cases are tough on extractors. I haven't tried the Chinese
military surplus but I doubt that it's much different than the commercial stuff. My favorites are the Bulgarian and Polish surplus. The lots that I've had were brass case, very clean, surefire and cycled my pistols flawlessly. The Czech ammo is also available and it's loaded much hotter than
the rest. It's lots of fun and the CZ-52 was designed around this load but it's still a little disconcerting to see your pistol turn into a flame belching hand cannon. I don't feed my CZ's a steady diet of the Czech ammo for fear of excessive wear. Virtually all the surplus in 7.62x25 is corrosive, but don't turn your nose up at corrosive ammo like many people I talk to at gun shows do. It's priced right, and if you clean your gun shortly after shooting it will be fine. I pull the barrel out and run it under hot water while pushing a soapy brush through it. After I'm done the warm barrel dries quickly and I lightly oil it inside and out. The CZ-52 is a typical piece of Czech quality workmanship, it's fun to shoot, and right now they are
plentiful and inexpensive. If you don't get one now you may wish you had once they all disappear. NOTE---Be careful of the firing pin. It's cast steel and will last indefinitely under normal usage but if
subjected to repeated dry firing may break prematurely.
9x19 conv. info
actually i have been in close contact with Karl at mak.com, thats where im getting the barrel from in 9x19, actually he is quite a nice guy to deal with , the order got shipped a bit late so he threw in a gift cert. and on the conversion itself to 9 nato the extractor lower half gets rounded and smoothed ,the smoothing has no ill effects on the 7.62 when changing back . some guys have done a mag modification by making a new follower and adding in a 1/8th strip in the mag in back pinning it, i have talked to some others who say use the 124 grain rounds or the heavy 140's and have had no probs. the new barrel was 70$ on sale so i just had to get it as up here in mid north maine ammo in 7.62 is a pain to get, but nonetheless a great round.i also got the hardened steel rollers. as of now i use an uncle mikes wraparound sleeve over stock grips that were sanded out and shot in 10 coats of epoxy black spray paint and cured under a lamp for a week or so to a hard finish, altho i just be making a set of walnuts at some point. it was a arsenal rework as well, the punched dots on the slide top is the giveaway, the amount of dots eqauls how worn the pistol was when shipped in for rework or for accuracy,so far no real explanation on that.mine was essentially mint inside and no barrel wear at all. the parkerizing was somewhat not my cup of coffee so i reblued it blue/black reminiscent of the eastern combloc police pistols.hers an interesting note tho , if you look carefully at the trigger gaurd on either side look for a Z stamping, this if you have it means your pistol has had the mods necessary so when decocking on a live
round it will not go off. if not contact century arms and they will fix and ship back for free or maybe just send you the new saftey. the trigger was nice and crisp at 3 lbs even so i just treated it to a polish job any how making it a touch better. i like the combat sights as the hang up less than a set of targets would but im now thinking of just changing the rear to a modified and rounded somewhat target set.the weirdest comment i have had yet was "who raped your mauser?!" outrageous at best. also after looking for extra stuff i have seen these sky rocket upwards of 190-240$$ on the net and in the shops lately as theyre drying up some in stocks. one strong piece. i have been looking for a cz50 in 32 acp lately locally so i dont have to pay an extra 50$ in shipping ffl fee's as well as that tok33/48/54, the cz 70 was good with the extra round capacity but not as accurate as ive heard........
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