Crud! Tough choice to make. I need some help!!

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Spirex288

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My previous post addressed the issue of concealing a fullsize 1911. Just recently I handled a Sig P299 and also enjoyed it's handling characteristics.
You know what I'm getting at.
I'm not a fast draw but would a safety from the 1911 affect my draw and fire? Training is everything but in those situation where TSHTF, anything goes and you might forget to pop the safety. What do you think I should go with? After I buy the gun, It'll be a while before I get another one.
 
Practice practice practice.

I shoot Tactical Tupperware (Glock 22 and 27), Sig P226, and various 1911's in competition. In practice, my fastest first shot is always with the 1911 types.

May just be me, but looking at the top ranks of IPSC shooter's equipment reveals a trend for the 1911 types. Just something about that short trigger movement and fast reset.

That and practice practice practice :)


Alex
 
Thats a tough call, it is all a matter of personal opinion, but my 2 cents is: Yes it takes a split second to disengage a safety, but it also is harder to make an accurate first shot with a double action trigger(like the Sig). Either way takes practice, and with training you can be really quick with either. I've known really awesome shooters who preferred either, and then some who like double action with a safety. (Beretta) It all depends on what floats your boat.
 
If you are carrying your 1911 with the safety on, then it is most likely "cocked and locked". If you train with your 1911 from day one being carried like this, you should be able to flick the safety down with your thumb alot faster than you can cock for that first single action round with the safety off. The key to fast and accurate draw fire is to train the same way you will carry and do it often!
 
If you are trained correctly your safety will be disengaged before target acusition anyway. Its not slower if you do it right. But, remembering to turn that safety off MUST BE 2ND NATURE. If not, you might end up taking a dirt nap.

Tim

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More gun laws are worthless, zero tolerence is the key !
 
I guess I'm sweating the small stuff. I'm thinking about the worst case scenario where you have to immediately draw and fire. Training will explain it all but do you grab the handle, disengage the safety, then draw-aim-fire OR grab handle, draw completely out of holster, disengage safety, aim-fire?
I guess I will have to work on technique big time on whatever route I choose.
 
I'm not arguing against the 1911, but I like the Sig for a couple reasons. I can take the DA shot if needed, or, if given an extra fraction of a second, I can cock the hammer for SA first shot. Many talk about the 1911 like it is the only gun with a SA first shot, but with the amount of practice you need to remember to take the saftey off, you could develop the habit of cocking the gun if possible.

The key for me is the lack of DA in the 1911. If I want a stronger DA pull for the first shot, which I do for home defense, then I have that option. Most 1911 users obviously don't want that option or they would choose a gun with it, but I want it.

I also like the lack of safety on the Sig. If you carry with a round in the barrel, a trigger pull will always fire the gun, whether SA or DA.(kind of like a glock in that regard) With a Berreta, 1991, etc with a safety, pulling the trigger with the safety on will not result in a shot. I don't practice enough to take that risk, but I certainly wouldn't nock someone who did.

Kiffster

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Spirex;

Here is the handgun presentation (from holster) as tought by Gunsite...

1 - Grip - Grip Pistol in normal firing grip, making sure trigger finger is outside trigger guard.

2 - Clear - Clear pistol from holster, lock wrist streight (again... trigger finger is outside of guard)

3 - Smack - Move pistol in a streight line up towards eye level, when pistol clears side of body (gun is just in front of body) support hand grabs pistol to complete two hand grip (trigger finger still out side)

4 - Click - Safety is disengaged (trigger finger still out side)

5 - Sight - Pistol is brought to eye level. On the movement btwn #4 & #5 trigger finger is placed inside trigger guard resting on trigger (no pressure). Once pistol is in line of sight (and you have determined that there is a threat and you are going to fire) slack is taken up on trigger, focus is shifted to front sight and you press the trigger to the rear.

At Gunsite you spend alot of time just working on the above. At first v-e-r-y slowly... discussing and fine tuneing each "count" (i.e. proper grip in #1, moving the pistol in a streight line from holster to eye level, etc). The "count" is shortened over the practice time.

They told everyone that they would have them coming from leather and putting two shots on target in 2.5 second or less. They did (most were @ the 2 second mark).

If you get your presentation down (adjust as needed for type of pistol) and you practice (slowly at first... speed will come with practice) you will develop "muscle memory" and the action will become second nature.. and all the "counts" will come together into one smooth fluid motion.

5

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Schmit
GySgt, USMC(Ret)
NRA Life, Lodge 1201-UOSSS
"Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"
 
Simplicity is the key to survival, and this the SIG Sauer P229 offers in spades. Once loaded there's no question of removing a safety in a serious social encounter. If you can master a 1911 that's great. I probably could but I simply don't want to invest the necessary time and practice to master something that I don't feel comfortable with.

Accurate DA first shots require practice, that's it. There's no mystery and they're not impossible to make. They might be hard for those that don't practice but if you do your part the P229 will its part.

There's also the question of reliability. Out of the box the P229 is plenty more reliable that your average 1911 in its price range. You won't have to spend on anything but mags, leather and ammo. I like 1911s a lot, but I've only met a few that didn't need this or that done to them to make them reliable. I can't afford this. I want something 100% reliable out of the box.

There's also the question of how many calibers do you want out of one pistol? With a 1911 you're basically wed to 45, unless you get a 22 kit from Ceiner. With a P229, you can get a 357SIG factory barrel or an aftermarket 9mm barrel.

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