While on my lunch walk yesterday, I noticed one of those concrete pillars used to surround fire hydrants. I started thinking, what is more effective, using cover that can not possibly protect you or keep moving, hoping the goblins do not have the practice hours and IDPA matches under their belts to hit moving targets. I am kind of stuck, unless you are throwing lead at each other (during those to the death rules of street engagement, would hiding behind a pole offer more protection from that wild bullet?
Cover or Movement
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Brett Bellmore
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Well, hypothetically speaking, cover which can't stop a bullet can at least prevent the other guy from knowing exactly where to aim. And even poor cover can dramatically reduce the penetrating power of some sorts of ammo, by causing it to tumble or prematurely expand.
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Cover and concealment are not interchangable.
Cover means that you have protection against incoming fire. Concealment just means that you can't be seen. You can have one without the other. Tall grass or a dark alley could be considered concealment, while a nice 2 inch thick Lexan window is quite handy cover.
Dodge and run, and disengage. In an urban environment you should have no shortage of cover available, whether it be parked cars, corners of buildings, etc - you should be able to run and get away in plenty of time. Tactical withdrawal
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Cover means that you have protection against incoming fire. Concealment just means that you can't be seen. You can have one without the other. Tall grass or a dark alley could be considered concealment, while a nice 2 inch thick Lexan window is quite handy cover.
Dodge and run, and disengage. In an urban environment you should have no shortage of cover available, whether it be parked cars, corners of buildings, etc - you should be able to run and get away in plenty of time. Tactical withdrawal
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Roger the above.
One must always also consider one's objectives. Are you alone? Is family present? Are you in a nursery?
You see what I mean.
Most of the time, I'm all for hauling my little rear out of harm's way- incidentally, think of moving to concealment/cover, then retreating while keeping concealed - but if someone I care about is on the line, the objective is keeping them alive.
One must always also consider one's objectives. Are you alone? Is family present? Are you in a nursery?
You see what I mean.
Most of the time, I'm all for hauling my little rear out of harm's way- incidentally, think of moving to concealment/cover, then retreating while keeping concealed - but if someone I care about is on the line, the objective is keeping them alive.
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I remember my Drill barking at me... METT DICTATES! Mission, Enemy, Terrain, and Time.
That determines the actions.
That determines the actions.
Payette hit it.
I was not talking hiding behind concealment. More like a big (fat) guy hiding behind a telephone pole. A careful shot will kill, but who is thinking clearly? Should my beer gut and I stay behind the telephone pole or should I be dodging (open terrain) bobbing and weaving trying to hit the bad guy provided I feel I can hit him if given enough time to draw ready (while moving and fire)
I was not talking hiding behind concealment. More like a big (fat) guy hiding behind a telephone pole. A careful shot will kill, but who is thinking clearly? Should my beer gut and I stay behind the telephone pole or should I be dodging (open terrain) bobbing and weaving trying to hit the bad guy provided I feel I can hit him if given enough time to draw ready (while moving and fire)
For those who can bob, weave, and run, putting something big and solid between you and the threat while leaving at express speeds is usually the best bet. However, there are some reasons to stay and fight.
- There may be people on-scene whom you want to protect. If they've already hit the ground from fright or being hurt, your choices may be limited.
- You may want to eliminate the threat. The nutcase who killed and wounded so many innocent people in Luby's cafeteria (Killeen, TX) comes to mind. The nutcase was alone, shooting rather slowly. Get a clear shot (with nothing between you or behind the perp) and take him out.
- And, in my case, my bob/weave/run days are past. (Please, take a moment for me today and curse arthritis!) I may have no choice but to stand, drop to a knee or fall flat and fight. Hmm. If I'm sitting at a table, it might be "benchrest" time.
It's not just stupidity that may keep a person in harm's way.
That's why I try to be at condition yellow more than most folks.
I work hard at "avoidance".
As a last, "can't-get-away" effort, that's why a .45 "lives" under my arm!
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[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited November 03, 2000).]
- There may be people on-scene whom you want to protect. If they've already hit the ground from fright or being hurt, your choices may be limited.
- You may want to eliminate the threat. The nutcase who killed and wounded so many innocent people in Luby's cafeteria (Killeen, TX) comes to mind. The nutcase was alone, shooting rather slowly. Get a clear shot (with nothing between you or behind the perp) and take him out.
- And, in my case, my bob/weave/run days are past. (Please, take a moment for me today and curse arthritis!) I may have no choice but to stand, drop to a knee or fall flat and fight. Hmm. If I'm sitting at a table, it might be "benchrest" time.
It's not just stupidity that may keep a person in harm's way.
That's why I try to be at condition yellow more than most folks.
I work hard at "avoidance".
As a last, "can't-get-away" effort, that's why a .45 "lives" under my arm!
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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited November 03, 2000).]