Court splits on limiting police searches

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Court splits on limiting police searches

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that police without a warrant cannot search a home when one resident says to come in but another tells them to go away.

The court's new leader, Chief Justice John Roberts, complained that the ruling could hamper investigations of domestic abuse.

Justices, in a 5-3 decision, said that police did not have the authority to enter and search the home of a small town Georgia lawyer even though the man's wife invited them in.

The officers, who did not have a search warrant, found evidence of illegal drugs.

The Supreme Court has never ruled on whether the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches covers a scenario when one home occupant wants to allow a search and another occupant does not.

The ruling by Justice David H. Souter stopped short of fully answering that question -- saying only that in the Georgia case it was clear that Scott Fitz Randolph was at the door and objected to the officers entry.

In his first written dissent, Chief Justice John Roberts said that "the end result is a complete lack of practical guidance for the police in the field, let alone for the lower courts."

The case fractured a court that has shown surprising unanimity in the five months since Roberts became chief justice. Justices swapped barbs in their writings, with Souter calling Roberts' view a "red herring."

Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas filed separate dissents, and Justice John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer wrote their own opinions to explain their votes in favor of the man whose home was searched.

Stevens said that "assuming that both spouses are competent, neither one is a master possessing the power to override the other's constitutional right to deny entry to their castle."

Georgia had asked the court to allow it to use evidence obtained in the 2001 search in Americus, Georgia, that followed a police domestic dispute call.

Randolph and his wife, Janet, were having marital troubles. She led officers to evidence later used to charge her husband with cocaine possession. That charge was on hold while the courts considered whether the search was constitutional.

Georgia's Supreme Court ruled for Scott Randolph, and the high court agreed.

"This case has no bearing on the capacity of the police to protect domestic victims," Souter wrote. "No question has been raised, or reasonably could be, about the authority of the police to enter a dwelling to protect a resident from domestic violence; so long as they have good reason to believe such a threat exists."

Justice Samuel Alito did not participate in the case, because he was not on the court when it was argued.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/22/scotus.search.ap/index.html
 
Good decision.

This is one thing that spouses do to each other when things get bad. They initiate drug raids as tools of harassment. That's exactly what this looks like it was, to me.

Just how likely do you think it is that he was using cocaine and she wasn't?
 
I guess the police learned a lesson in this case. They should have come by when the husband is at work. Isn't that when you should stop by and see the wife anyways?:D
 
This is one thing that spouses do to each other when things get bad. They initiate drug raids as tools of harassment.
All too true I45, but the decision, as made here, has a down side as well. It leaves the cops in limbo, and open to lawsuits because of vague or even no guidelines.

My sergeant just came up with a good example: Boyfriend has girlfriend living with him. Her name isn't on the lease and she doesn't pay the bills. Police request a consent search of his residence for item X, to which he agrees,as the legal resident, but girlfriend says "no way".

I'll abide by whatever SCOTUS says on this, but we also need clear guidelines.
 
Not withstanding legal precedent it sounds reasonable that a married couple legally speak with one voice. I wonder how that concept would apply to other functions of marriage including contractual purchases for products and services. What about abortion? Interesting.

Rimrock
 
"My sergeant just came up with a good example: Boyfriend has girlfriend living with him. Her name isn't on the lease and she doesn't pay the bills. Police request a consent search of his residence for item X, to which he agrees,as the legal resident, but girlfriend says "no way"."

Capt. The SCOTUS just said. The answer is easy, not limbo. NO SEARCH.

You just know there's something fishy going on if they are disagreeing on a search and the consenting one doesn't immediately change his/her mind.

Do you want your officers participating in catfights, or solving crimes?
 
Capt. Charlie is right. Whichever side you might be on in this decision, the waters are left murkier than when we started.

Once again, Justice Thomas' dissent is clear, concise and straight to the point.
 
":It leaves the cops in limbo, and open to lawsuits because of vague or even no guidelines."

No limbo. Get a warrent. If the party allowing the search will not particiapte in obtaining the warrent, case closed.
 
I don't see how this makes searches any murkier. It seems apparent, when in doubt get a warrant.

The call was for a domestic disturbance, not a cocaine report. Why should the wife not be treated as any other informant. Sign a statement. LEO uses the sworn statement to obtain a warrant for search for specific evidence.

The wife used the LEOs as a tool or weapon against the husband.

I would bet a box of ammo the wife is attractive.

Was the husband a criminal defense lawyer????

I, personally, don't like "consensual searches" under any circumstances. I believe there should be a standard, requiring notification of a right to refuse such a search similar to Miranda. Too often people (especially young people) are tricked or bullied into giving consent.
 
Here's why I like the decision.

Before the decision, cop wants to search, asks one party who might be pissed off at the other, gets let in. Let's say the one allowing entry is unaware of something the other is hiding. Or is unaware that the other is worried that somebody might have planted something he wouldn't want found. Or, worse, the consenting party and his/her lawyer have figured out a way that the blame will fall mostly on the non-consenting party and there's treachery afoot. The cops have been used to settle someone's score, not to be part of a system for justice.

After the decision, it's clear. Anybody in the house doesn't want to be part of a search, he says no. If you still want to search, get a warrant.

Without the decision, things are much more muddy from the point of view of the parties being searched. Who's to say why a wife would consent but not a husband? To search anyway would be poking the government's nose into matters that should be private.

With the decision, it's clear. The search requires PC to get a warrant. Perhaps the wife's clearance for a search combined with the husband's refusal could be considered a SAF. Perhaps it's just they never discussed it before and quickly came up with different answers. Let a judge decide.

Lest you think I think this way because I have something to hide, I routinely invite the police into my house. I've had some stalking problems lately, so I see a lot of officers. I even brought one back into my electronics lab to show him that a restraining order had been served via the internet when he couldn't find it on his database.

What I want is for police to go about the business of investigating CRIME. You know, that thing with VICTIMS, not that thing that requires sneaking and searching to find evidence, but the thing where the evidence smacks them in the face because a VICTIM is screaming it at them.

I have a feeling that conservatives have now put enough conservatives on the SCOTUS that the court is making generally conservative decisions. A probably-unwanted effect is that they are conservative in their interpretation of the constitution, not just morally conservative. This could easily backfire (to my great glee) into the return of some of our rights.

It looks like, in a couple decisions, it already has.
 
I have a feeling that conservatives have now put enough conservatives on the SCOTUS that the court is making generally conservative decisions.
FWIW, it was the Conservatives that dissented from this opinion. One knows not how Alito might have voted.

Jury's still not in as to the effects of this clearly Conservative SCOTUS on our individual rights.
Rich
 
Not at all confusing

It seems to me as though the Court came down heavily on the side of our 5th amendment rights, as opposed to another person's bloody nose or black eye. I don't favor abuse, but I do like the Constitution. The new judge gives points to Bush (and he needs lots of points.)
 
As Capt and others have stated, this is a new area that will require further guidelines so that ALL are protected. Case in point re: this decision: does the individual saying "you can't enter" have to be at the door, wingspan of the door, visually in the room, on the phone and not at the house? Need some guidelines.
 
"...as opposed to another person's bloody nose or black eye."

Sounds like enough probable cause to enter to stop the situation.
Why does a general search tehm become needed?
The opinion contains plenty of guidance about the courts thinking on domestic violence and other details.
 
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