Cop eats sandwich while woman gets raped

If the topic title is actually true(I'd want confirmation on that), that's just disgusting and those cops should be gutted.
That's a big if though.

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This is typical of big city PD's. Totally impersonal . The officer was probably on his "Lunch Break" and could not be bothered as someone else would be called to handle the job. Most of the cops have no sense of duty and responsibility to the people they supposedly serve, it is just a job, you put in your time and retire after 20 years if you don't screw up. I see the same thing in our county police. It hasn't always been like this, but the system turns Police Officers into employees, rather than a force for good in their communities.

I am sure that in the small towns in flyover country we still have cops who give a damn, who know the people they serve and go the extra mile when they have to. They are probably poorly paid and poorly equipped and have a more dangerous job than their big city counterparts.

Being a cop today is just a job, 8 hours a day and sick days and four weeks vacation and maybe you can land a soft desk job and get off the street. I have little or no faith in my local PD and will not depend on them to do anything more than fill out reports after the crime.

Geoff Ross
 
Happens in small towns too. In Knoxville, TN, a cop saw a man breaking into a home. Cop drove on by and, after being reported, stated that he saw the crime being committed, but it was near shift change and he didn't need the hassle or the paperwork.

If this was my grandmother, I'd work to get the cop fired just so it wouldn't be capital murder when I killed him.

[This message has been edited by buzz_knox (edited October 13, 2000).]
 
The important question here is
was it a good sandwhich?
Why do so many people think the police have a duty or an obligation to protect anyone
much less risk their lives.
I cant name the times Ive heard cops say
'were putting our lives on the line out their'
Dont ever try to tell one of them the obvious fact that that so do civillians every time we step out the door the only difference being we have to pay for a carry permit we dont get it with the job and they dont grilled everytime their caught carrying and bartenders almost never ask them to leave their pistols in their car even when your just eating.

Yeah NATional maybe that law should read something like 'all citizens shall have the right to keep and bear arms'.
Try passing that today and getting it ratfied by all 50 states.

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30 days suspension is all the bas***d gets. Not fired, or strung up by his balls. There is justice for ya. Who was it that argued that LEO's werent considered special people. This is not something that is/can be found at big PD's. It can happen to anyone. As I stated before, if you rely on someone else during your time of need, you will in most cases be let down. We should all prepare as if nobody will ever show up, if and when they do, it is a pleasent surprise. One can only hope that what goes around comes around, and soon for this POS.

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This story is notable because it is such an exception, IMHO.

I strongly believe that most LEO's do their best to stop scumbags like this rapist.

The story does remind us that everyone is responsible for their own 'First Defense', until the professionals arrive.

Regards from AZ
 
Jeff

Remember the Central Park sexual assaults? Cops standing practically in front of the assault and they did nothing. Remember the lawsuits where the cops argued and won the right not to protect citizens (of course, they couched it in terms a duty to the public as a whole, rather than individuals, even where those individuals were known to be in extreme danger)?

Frankly, the exceptions nowadays seems to be cops who see themselves as officers, rather than just civil servants who happen to have a badge and a gun.

Some cops are very good. Others are flat out evil. Most just see it as a job. Where's Matt Dillon when you need him?
 
What would you bet that if I cruised by the ol sandwich shop drinking a brew he'd have been all over me ? I understand that big city pd's are becomming more & more like this, I imagine he'd have left his sandwich to do some gun confiscating though, as long as it was from law abiding citizens.
 
If this is true he should be fired. That said I think this what happens when the "system" breaks a person down. I think people should be very concerned about the BS that is going on in our police departments today. Promoting people because of color not skill/intelligence, etc. Politicians running the departments that are more concerned about liability and how they look than public safety. Officers that are f**ked with because they refuse to tow the "party line" if they think it is BS. Police administrations that are no longer concerned with public safety but with looking PC. This administrators will destroy LEOs who stand in the way of this (I have seen it and experienced it). I can go on and on but my point is these idiots in charge are breaking officers down until they don't care anymore. If we want this **** to stop we need to clean departments up sarting at the top. Being on the "inside I am very concerned.
 
If the police officer is fired, he has a case to sue the city/town. I don't know if you remember but the SC said that the police cannot be sued or held accountable for NOT protecting or showing up to protect an individual; that they are there to help society as a whole. I have a feeling that this police officer will carry this to other courts if he is fired, with his main defense being the SC decision.

For those who "think" that the police will always protect them and that guns should be banned; just remember the LA riots, other riots, the SC decision, and the countless times that the police refuse to interven due to officer safety.

I feel for the victems; I just wished that they had been smart enough to buy their own protection instead of sending the money to the people who want to ban or outlaw our right to self protection.

USP45usp
 
I agree with mrat on this one. Departments are overly concerned with liability and less with their own deputies/officers. Sometimes it is easier or less expensive to "let go" of an officer than try to stand behind him when he is right. What does that say to other officers/deputies in that department?

I see a lot of generalizing here in this particular topic regarding LEO's being lazy or harassing law abiding citizens. You guys are doing the same to LEO's as what politicians are doing to the Second Amendment and assault weapons (generalizing) where a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. Quit being a hypocrit and realize that the strong majority of LEO's are doing a good job. The bottom line is cops are people. There are different kinds of people, some gung-ho, some lazy, some very professional, some unprofessional.

Its impossible to weed out only the bad cops out there. I know a lot of cops and 95% are hard working and do their jobs very well. Too many people generalize LEO's into one catagory because of one bad incident, like what a lot of people are doing in the replies above. Some of you guys forget how many LEO's are in this country. The percentages of "bad incidences" that occur are very minimal to the amount of properly handled calls. It's the media, they only report what went wrong, not they millions of calls that were handled professionally and correct, everyday. :mad:
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by USP45usp:
If the police officer is fired, he has a case to sue the city/town. I don't know if you remember but the SC said that the police cannot be sued or held accountable for NOT protecting or showing up to protect an individual; that they are there to help society as a whole. I have a feeling that this police officer will carry this to other courts if he is fired, with his main defense being the SC decision.
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This officer can be fired if he violated a department policy by not assisting. Each department's policies vary. My department's policies state we must assist. If he worked for my department he would be fired. Of course the officer could sue, but the department would bring in the policy (which each officer signs for) and the officer would probably be SOL.

Raven,
I am with you 110%.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mrat:
This officer can be fired if he violated a department policy by not assisting. Each department's policies vary. My department's policies state we must assist. If he worked for my department he would be fired. Of course the officer could sue, but the department would bring in the policy (which each officer signs for) and the officer would probably be SOL.

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Exactly. The SC's rulings that city police not responding to citizen calls does not offend the constitution are a far cry from a constitutional right of individuals not to be _fired_ from their jobs for not responding.

Take another example, and it will be clearer. The SC has ruled that states have no duty under the constitution to provide health care to any citizens, but all states do this to some extent. Any citizen who was not provided with care if he met the requirements might well be able to sue the state in state or federal court, depending on the specific complaint, but could not sue on the basis that his constitutional rights were violated (leave aside equal protection claims for the moment, i.e., discriminatory denials of care.) Still, the state has no affirmative duty _under the constitution_ to provide health care.

All of this is perfectly consistent, of course, with some doctor being fired by a state hospital for refusing to provide treatment according to state guidelines. Surely the fact that the state is not _constitutionally_ required to provide health care does not entail that those who take a job providing that care for the state have a constitutional right not to do their jobs.
 
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