contract with HUD bans preban rifle sales in S&W stores

dZ

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AGREEMENT BETWEEN SMITH & WESSON AND
THE DEPARTMENTS OF THE TREASURY AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT,
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND STATES

SUMMARY OF TERMS

Preamble: The city, state, county and federal parties agree to dismiss the parties from the pending suits and refrain from filing
suits against the manufacturer parties based on an equivalent cause of action.

SAFETY AND DESIGN

All handguns must meet the following safety and design standards:

Second "hidden" serial number, to prevent criminals from obliterating serial numbers.
External locking device sold with all guns within 60 days.
Internal locking device on all guns within 24 months.
Smart Guns -- Authorized User Technology.
Manufacturers commit 2% of annual firearms revenues to the development of authorized user technology.
Within 36 months, authorized user technology will be included in all new firearm models, with the exception of
curios and collectors’ firearms.
If top eight manufacturers agree, authorized user technology will be included in all new firearms.
Child Safety. Within 12 months, handguns will be designed so they cannot be readily operated by a child under 6.
Performance test. All firearms will be subject to a performance test to ensure safety and quality.
Drop test. All firearms will be subject to a test to ensure they do not fire when dropped.

All pistols must meet the following additional requirements:

Safety device. Positive manually operated safety device.
Magazine disconnectors must be available on all pistols to customers who desire the feature, within 12 months.
Chamber load indicators on all pistols, showing whether the pistol is loaded, within 12 months.
Large capacity magazines. New firearm designs will not be able to accept large-capacity magazines that were
manufactured prior to September 1994. (Manufacture of such magazines has been prohibited since that date.)

Law enforcement and military exception. If law enforcement agencies or the military certify the need, exceptions to these
requirements may be made. Manufacturers will ask that these guns not be resold to the civilian market.

Warnings about safe storage and handling included with all firearms within six months.

Illegal firearms. Manufacturers will not sell firearms that can readily be converted into fully automatic weapons or that are
resistant to fingerprints.




SALES AND DISTRIBUTION

Code of Conduct. The manufacturers will sell only to authorized dealers and distributors and allow their authorized distributors to
sell only to authorized dealers. Authorized dealers and distributors will agree to a code of conduct. If manufacturers receive notice
of a violation by an authorized dealer or distributor, they will take action against the dealer or distributor, including termination of
sales to the dealer or distributor. The Oversight Commission will review such actions and have authority to require termination or
suspension if warranted.

The code of conduct will require authorized dealers and distributors to:

Gun shows: make no gun show sales unless all sales at the gun show are completed only after a background check.
Brady checks: wait as long as necessary for a completed Brady check showing that the purchaser is not a felon or
otherwise prohibited before selling a gun to the purchaser.

Safety training for purchasers: transfer firearms only to individuals who have passed certified safety course or exam
and demonstrate to purchasers how to use all safety devices and how to load, unload, and safely store the firearm
before completing the sale.
Multiple handgun sales: all purchasers of multiple handguns to take only one handgun from the store on the day of
sale, at which point a multiple sales report will be filed with ATF. The remainder of the guns can only be collected after 14
days.
Employee training: require all employees to attend ATF-approved training and to pass a exam on firearms laws, straw
purchasers, illegal trafficking indicators, and gun safety.
Insurance: carry liability insurance where available, with a minimum coverage of $1 million for each incident.
Inventory control: maintain an electronic inventory tracking plan within 24 months
Security: implement a security plan for securing firearms.
Child access: require persons under 18 to be accompanied by adults in gun stores or gun sections of stores.
Weapons attractive to criminals: not sell large capacity magazines or semiautomatic assault weapons.
Compliance: provide law enforcement, government regulators, and the Oversight Commission established in this
Agreement with access to documents necessary to determine compliance; cooperate fully in the Agreement’s Oversight
mechanism.
Crime gun traces: maintain an electronic record of all ATF trace requests and report trace requests to manufacturers.
Indicted dealers: forgo firearms sales to licensed dealers known to be under indictment.
Straw purchasers: not to make sales to straw purchasers.

Manufacturer commitments. Manufacturers will:

Provide quarterly sales data to ATF.
Not market guns in any manner designed to appeal to juveniles or criminals.
Refrain from selling any modified/sporterized semi-automatic pistol of type that cannot be imported into U.S.
Reaffirm policy of not placing advertisements in vicinity of schools, high crime zones, and public housing.
Implement a security plan for securing firearms.
Designate an officer to ensure compliance with the Agreement.

Corporate responsibility for crime gun traces. If an authorized dealer or distributor has a disproportionate number of crime
guns traced to it within three years of sale, the manufacturers will take action, including possible termination or suspension,
against the dealer or distributor. The Oversight Commission will review such actions and have authority to require termination or
suspension if warranted.

Oversight Commission will be established and empowered to oversee implementation of the Agreement. The Commission will
have five members selected as follows: one by manufacturers; two by city and county parties; one by state parties; one by ATF.
The Commission’s powers will include the authority to review compliance with the design and safety requirements, review the
safety and training program for dealer and distributor employees, review manufacturer actions against dealers or distributors that
violate the Agreement or have a disproportionate number of crime gun traces, and require suspension or termination if warranted.

Role of ATF. To the extent consistent with law, ATF will work with manufacturers and the Oversight Commission to assist them in
meeting obligations under the Agreement. ATF will notify the Oversight Commission of certain violations of the Agreement by
distributors and dealers if it uncovers such violations.

Ballistics Imaging. Within six months, if technologically available, manufacturers will fire all firearms before sale and will enter the
digital image of the casings in a system compatible with the National Integrated Ballistics Identification Network and accessible to
ATF. This will enable law enforcement to trace crime guns when only the bullets or casings are recovered.

Access 2000. Manufacturers shall participate in ATF’s Access 2000 program, which establishes electronic links with ATF and
enables high-speed tracing of crime guns.

Legislation. The parties will work together to support legislative efforts to reduce firearm misuse and the development of
authorized user technology.

Education trust fund. Upon resolution of all current city, state, and county lawsuits, manufacturers will dedicate 1% of overall
firearms revenues to an education trust fund.

Most favored entity. If other manufacturers enter agreements with more expansive design and distribution reforms, and those
manufacturers, along with the manufacturer parties to this Agreement, account for fifty percent or more of United States handgun
sales, the manufacturer parties to this Agreement will agree to abide by the same reforms.

Enforcement. The Agreement will be entered into and enforceable as a court order and as a contract.
 
OK No more new guns from S & W. I will stock up on older guns, their value will definitely go up in future years.

S & W is being shrewd in doing this, they are doing it strictly from a marketing viewpoint.

Geoff Ross

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One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!
 
Time to buy Taurus, I suspect. At any rate,
I never liked S&W - they're expensive considered I
do not get more 'revolver' for my money than
a Taurus.
 
While at first glance the S&W Agreement didn't look like that much was given up, but take a look at these outrageous requirements, which go far beyond any current proposed ligislation.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
The code of conduct will require authorized dealers and distributors to:

Gun shows: make no gun show sales unless all sales at the gun show are completed only after a background check.

Safety training for purchasers: transfer firearms only to individuals who have passed certified safety course or exam and demonstrate to purchasers how to use all safety devices and how to load, unload, and safely store the firearm before completing the sale.

Multiple handgun sales: all purchasers of multiple handguns to take only one handgun from the store on the day of sale, at which point a multiple sales report will be filed with ATF. The remainder of the guns can only be collected after 14 days.

Child access: require persons under 18 to be accompanied by adults in gun stores or gun sections of stores.

Weapons attractive to criminals: not sell large capacity magazines or semiautomatic assault weapons.

Compliance: provide law enforcement, government regulators, and the Oversight Commission established in this Agreement with access to documents necessary to determine compliance; cooperate fully in the Agreement’s Oversight mechanism.
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These details make this a horrible, horrible deal. I was willing to give this a wait-and-see, but no longer!!

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"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."
 
Okay, time for everyone to contact their Congresscritter and point out that the White House is making an end run on the Legislative Branch.

Send this to all your friends who hunt, but think that their guns are safe. Show them the high-lighted portions, then take those friends down to the courthouse and get them registered to vote!

Sign up everyone you can with the NRA, GOA, LEAA and anyone else I've missed.

On Election Day--get everyone you can to the polls. Do all that you can to get everyone you know to vote.

We have got to have a gun-friendly Congress and White House this time.

:mad:

LawDog
 
"We have got to have a gun-friendly Congress and White House this time."

Are we going to accomplish that by having so many gun owners voting for third-party candidates? I'm sorry, folks, but there is nothing you can tell me that would indicate that George W would engage in this kind of
racketeering/extortion. On the other hand, I
have every confidence that Algore will continue this pattern. It has to stop, now.
Please, please do not vote Libertarian or Reform Party.

BTW, watch HUD secretary Andrew Cuomo's moves. This guy's looking for a Senate seat, and he's dangerous.

Dick
 
Dick and I have always agreed on this! We must elect folks who will work to overturn this nonsense.

It's either Al Gore or George W. There is no other individual who can win.

So what's your choice?

ABG!
 
I'm not happy with S&W about this, but ...

Consider the incredible implications of this kind of behavior in a democratic republic! Government takes a large portion of your production, and hires attorneys to extort concessions from private industry. No laws passed. Circumvents Congress. Avoids those pesky constituents.

And, you get industry to do what you want, under threat of, essentially, bankruptcy. Government doesn't even have to own the industry, but it can effectively set their macro policies. (note how that fits the fascist economic model ...)

Think very carefully about what is happening here. Perhaps I am overreacting, but I don't believe so. What we are witnessing, first with tobacco companies, and now with firearms, may be one of the gravest threats we've seen to our form of government. Overstatement?
 
You said a mouthful there Jeff. They can't get the laws passed that they want so they will impose their will via the manufacturer. Who cares if it is totally legal to own pre-ban mags or so-called "assault weapons". And, what are their definitions of "access by children"/"Disproportionate amounts of guns used in crimes traced to certain dealers", etc.......
 
Most favored entity. If other manufacturers enter agreements with more expansive design and distribution reforms, and those
manufacturers, along with the manufacturer parties to this Agreement, account for fifty percent or more of United States handgun
sales, the manufacturer parties to this Agreement will agree to abide by the same reforms.


gee i guess that kills any innovation

if all that they allow is smart guns sales, all smart guns run the same operating system
 
Perhaps I missed something, but when they say: "Manufacturers will not sell firearms that... are resistant to fingerprints." Does this imply no more polymer framed firearms? As usuall, I figure this part would be up to interpretation by them in what ever way suits them best. Either way, I thought this sounded as if they were trying to kill a large percentage of firearms by making the implication that their "fingerprint resistant" frames were to criminal friendly. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something, that is unless I'm mistaken about polymer frames. I only mention it as I've heard it said about the TEC-9 by the media and figure HUD certainly isn't going to miss this.

I hope this helps.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Gun shows: make no gun show sales unless all sales at the gun show are completed only after a background check.[/quote]

In the original text of the article/agreement, the word ALL is underlined to add emphesis(sp). I wonder if they are going to say than any sale at a gun show, regardless of dealer involvement, constitutes a breech of the agreement? Remember a few months ago, one of the biggies they wanted was all sales to go through FFL's. Look at a typical gun show also. How many shows could survive on individuals alone? Take out all the dealers, and you pretty much knock out the shows, IMHO. The shows around here charge by the table, and the dealers have multiple tables.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Safety training for purchasers: transfer firearms only to individuals who have passed certified safety course or exam[/quote]

who's running this?
what if there is an 8 week back log for access to a class?

dZ
 
No one is going to give a rat's a** if this 'agreement' makes it difficult for citizens to purchase firearms. After all, that's one of the main goals ...

That frog is starting to get a bit uncomfortable, and the water is getting quite a bit hotter in that pot ...
 
Jeff, you're not far off on the fascist notion. In nearly every industry in America the government is mandating one or more aspects of products. Airbags, tobacco and now guns have been altered due to government extortion. How far off, if Al Gore is elected, will be an executive order that all cars be battery-operated within five years?

In a true democratic, capitalist society it is the marketplace that drives product design. If there was a demand for "smart guns," it would come from gun buyers. But that's not the system we have. If there is no demand for smart guns from the gun buyers, then our fascist government will have to create the demand by requiring that all existing guns be retrofitted with the new technology.

They hanged Mussolini with piano wire from a lamp post. They could have used rope, but the Italians have always had a flair for the dramatic.

Dick
 
It didn't occur to me until this morning that the entire question of boycott/don't boycott was settled for me.
Simply put, I CAN'T buy a new Smith and Wesson anymore, even if I wanted to. I don't have any formal firearm training; learned it from my dad and my grandparents. So I'm not qualified, in their eyes, to buy their product.
And even if I still have the option to get training once I can afford it (meaning, even if it's still legal to attend a "terrorist training center" like Gunsite by then) I don't know of any gun stores around here that don't sell prebans, nor any that would give up that business just to cling to Smith and Wesson. So sorry, SW, you've cut yourself out of my business. Think I'll try to save up for a new Beretta. I was going to buy all used guns but suddenly I'd like Beretta to have some of my money.
 
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