Constitutional Protection of the United States's Borders?
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Fud, I think this would come under the Constitution, Section 8: "Scope of Legislative Power"
http://wwwsecure.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
http://wwwsecure.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
This is what the Libertarian's believe.....as do I! It is long, so I will post the address!
http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration.html
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http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration.html
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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
Fubsy;
I am most definitely NOT a Constitutional scholar, and I would not know the first place to look but........militarily speaking, There should be Constitutional protection from armed aggression against our national souvernty emanating from outside our borders.
Not much help was I!!
I am most definitely NOT a Constitutional scholar, and I would not know the first place to look but........militarily speaking, There should be Constitutional protection from armed aggression against our national souvernty emanating from outside our borders.
Not much help was I!!
Maybe yes, Maybe no,...lol....
Ya'll quote the founding documents when it suits you......and Ive yet to see anyone question the open border policy, and if its constitutional to throw the borders wide open. I just wanna know is securing the borders a requirement of our founding documents and if it exists, does that requirement conflict with the Libertarian view? After all ya'll are the party of minimumalism with regards to laws. I would have thought ya'll would have researched this and given great thought to it other than just opinion. Is what ya'll propose legal. Its that simple. I know ya'll dont like to follow laws.....but is it?...fubsy.
Ya'll quote the founding documents when it suits you......and Ive yet to see anyone question the open border policy, and if its constitutional to throw the borders wide open. I just wanna know is securing the borders a requirement of our founding documents and if it exists, does that requirement conflict with the Libertarian view? After all ya'll are the party of minimumalism with regards to laws. I would have thought ya'll would have researched this and given great thought to it other than just opinion. Is what ya'll propose legal. Its that simple. I know ya'll dont like to follow laws.....but is it?...fubsy.
I'm not quoting anything Fubsy! I don't have all the answers for you. It's a matter of a belief in a common since approach. It's a matter of comparison. If you believe the system works as it stands, show me! What is your favorite Federal Program! How is our system of border control and immigration working for you. Is the War on Drugs effective? Has our Public School system flourished under Federal direction. Have our rights under the 2nd. Amendment been protected? I could go on but you see my point.
The guarantee of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness seems to have faded from our lives. I see an alternative to what we have now in the Libertarian philosophy. Is it perfect.....no! But my personal belief is that it is a hell of a lot better than what we have now. This governmental system has failed the American people....Why reward it!!
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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
The guarantee of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness seems to have faded from our lives. I see an alternative to what we have now in the Libertarian philosophy. Is it perfect.....no! But my personal belief is that it is a hell of a lot better than what we have now. This governmental system has failed the American people....Why reward it!!
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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
I'm not really fond of the idea that other countries live like crap, breed like rabits, get too full and start spilling over into the US. Overpopulation is a real problem, even in the US, why make it worse? I don't agree with the libertarians on the open immigration policy, that's just asking for trouble. They'll keep sending their excess here until we get just as bad as they are. Do you want to live like China where people are so plentiful noone notices when a million of them die in a prison camp during any given year?
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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist
The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
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The Alcove
I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist
The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me