At the risk of being told I 'm nuts here's a question. Has anyone heard that the FBI/ATF will be given access to VA Medical records to screen for vets who are considered "mental persons" under the current gun laws? This finding would result in the forieture of gun rights. This would be a wide ranging net, covering vets who have or are taking stress related drugs, suffer from PTSD, or any number of mental problems.
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Confiscation of Vets guns?
- Thread starter WGB38
- Start date
Anxiously awaiting informed response to this one.
WGB38....What is your source? What triggered your question?
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
WGB38....What is your source? What triggered your question?
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
A post on another board I check . It contained the following email.
Source: Colonel Dan and Joyce of Genesis Communications "Power Hour", and http://www.gulfwarvets.com
> ---------------------
> Forwarded Message:
> Subj: Alert: FBI/BATF to Disarm Vets!
> Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:45 PM
> From: Mike Balog <uaicvtmb@together.net>
> To: Special Recipient List:
>
> I just discovered this information.
>
> The traitors in Washington have come up with a plan -- to be implemented
> IMMEDIATELY -- to deny and confiscate ALL privately owned firearms from
All
> American VETS. The VA has instructed ALL its hospitals to hand over, to
FBI
> & BATF, ALL medical files on ALL U.S. Veterans that indicate ANY kind of
> psychological problem: Depression, Anxiety, P.T.S.D from WW2 - Korea -
> Vietnam - The Gulf War.
>
> They will extend this order to cover anyone that cares for a handicapped
> person in his/her home.
>
> Psychologists for the FBI & BATF will review the files and profile them.
> Then, based on this "review", they will inform the VETS that their
> Constitutional Rights to private firearms ownership is being revoked. Any
> VETS receiving checks, who are "deemed to be incompetent", as evidenced by
> medication prescriptions for ANY psychological problem, will be deemed
> unable to Own, Possess or Buy ANY firearms. What this means is that they
> don't have to worry about the "Brady Check".
>
> This is going to be used to confiscate ALL firearms -- legal or
otherwise --
> in the possession of VETS, wherever they may be.
>
> This is also going to cover anyone taking care of handicapped individuals
> [Any Handicap] claiming for the "good of that person", you cannot have ANY
> firearms in your possession, or in that home.
>
> The common-sense reason, the clinton administration, using State
Department
> Document 7277, dated 1962, directed by the United Nations; that ALL U.S.
> citizens must be disarmed.
>
> Then, the civilian police will be disarmed, followed by the U.S. Military.
>
> Further, the clinton administration, backed by Globalists, want to disarm
> ALL U.S. Vets because they are trained in the use of firearms, have combat
> experience, and can train the younger generation to rise up against the
New
> World Order!
>
> Michael G. Balog
>
***************************************************************
Find: GulfWarVets.Com [or GulfWar.Com.]
>
> http://www.vba.arms.nctsw.navy.mil
>
> Sources: United States Navy Web Pages, V.A. Web Site
>
> NOTE: More Information will be on WorldNetDaily Web Site (by Cathleen
George
> Reilly and Alex Jones).
>
> Michael G. Balog
> Northeast Regional Director
> Patriot Broadcasting Network
> uaicvtmb@together.net
> * De Oppresso Liber*
> *************************
I checked both links listed only the one at the top of the page works. I couyldn't find anything on the page that link goes to about this. I know it sounds kinda like tinfoil hat time but I'm a VA Cop at a VA Hospital and this sounds like something the shrinks htere would be involved with. I don't know if I should believe this or not but I thought I'd ask around and see if anyone else had heard of this from any source.
The VA has been going to a computer based medical records system the last few years so while poaper records still exist, a transfer of data like this would be realitvely simple.
It scares me.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 19, 2000).]
Source: Colonel Dan and Joyce of Genesis Communications "Power Hour", and http://www.gulfwarvets.com
> ---------------------
> Forwarded Message:
> Subj: Alert: FBI/BATF to Disarm Vets!
> Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:45 PM
> From: Mike Balog <uaicvtmb@together.net>
> To: Special Recipient List:
>
> I just discovered this information.
>
> The traitors in Washington have come up with a plan -- to be implemented
> IMMEDIATELY -- to deny and confiscate ALL privately owned firearms from
All
> American VETS. The VA has instructed ALL its hospitals to hand over, to
FBI
> & BATF, ALL medical files on ALL U.S. Veterans that indicate ANY kind of
> psychological problem: Depression, Anxiety, P.T.S.D from WW2 - Korea -
> Vietnam - The Gulf War.
>
> They will extend this order to cover anyone that cares for a handicapped
> person in his/her home.
>
> Psychologists for the FBI & BATF will review the files and profile them.
> Then, based on this "review", they will inform the VETS that their
> Constitutional Rights to private firearms ownership is being revoked. Any
> VETS receiving checks, who are "deemed to be incompetent", as evidenced by
> medication prescriptions for ANY psychological problem, will be deemed
> unable to Own, Possess or Buy ANY firearms. What this means is that they
> don't have to worry about the "Brady Check".
>
> This is going to be used to confiscate ALL firearms -- legal or
otherwise --
> in the possession of VETS, wherever they may be.
>
> This is also going to cover anyone taking care of handicapped individuals
> [Any Handicap] claiming for the "good of that person", you cannot have ANY
> firearms in your possession, or in that home.
>
> The common-sense reason, the clinton administration, using State
Department
> Document 7277, dated 1962, directed by the United Nations; that ALL U.S.
> citizens must be disarmed.
>
> Then, the civilian police will be disarmed, followed by the U.S. Military.
>
> Further, the clinton administration, backed by Globalists, want to disarm
> ALL U.S. Vets because they are trained in the use of firearms, have combat
> experience, and can train the younger generation to rise up against the
New
> World Order!
>
> Michael G. Balog
>
***************************************************************
Find: GulfWarVets.Com [or GulfWar.Com.]
>
> http://www.vba.arms.nctsw.navy.mil
>
> Sources: United States Navy Web Pages, V.A. Web Site
>
> NOTE: More Information will be on WorldNetDaily Web Site (by Cathleen
George
> Reilly and Alex Jones).
>
> Michael G. Balog
> Northeast Regional Director
> Patriot Broadcasting Network
> uaicvtmb@together.net
> * De Oppresso Liber*
> *************************
I checked both links listed only the one at the top of the page works. I couyldn't find anything on the page that link goes to about this. I know it sounds kinda like tinfoil hat time but I'm a VA Cop at a VA Hospital and this sounds like something the shrinks htere would be involved with. I don't know if I should believe this or not but I thought I'd ask around and see if anyone else had heard of this from any source.
The VA has been going to a computer based medical records system the last few years so while poaper records still exist, a transfer of data like this would be realitvely simple.
It scares me.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 19, 2000).]
WGB38 ( wheelgun? ) Thanks. Sumpin I noticed was that all new records are going into the puter, but not all of em are going into the jackets as hard copies. Makes it difficult to keep an accurate personal copy and also very difficult to see who has accessed the records. Needs more research to be totaly believable but definately worth checkin out.
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
This sounds like trolls and anti goblins at work...in other words anti BS. I'm going to have to see it on CNN, major networks and all the rest of the media circus before I believe it. If it turned out to be true, then its time to do some hoeing in the weed patch, this time all the way to the roots. That is if America still believes in the foundations of this America.
I agree I put it out not to scatter BS but to try and get more input. I have emails out to the individual listed as the originator of the email asking for details and any other verification he has this going on or is being planned.
I will say this, I deal with the shrinks in the VA on a daily basis(as I said I'm a VA Police Officer) and this is something those bozos woould stand in line to do. The ones at the hospital were I work antagonize the guys and then run to us for protection.
They are some of the most liberal #&&#$^@(&_*_)(&* I've ever ran across.
I'm not ready to buy this yet it just sounds right. Remember "Trust but Verify"
I will say this, I deal with the shrinks in the VA on a daily basis(as I said I'm a VA Police Officer) and this is something those bozos woould stand in line to do. The ones at the hospital were I work antagonize the guys and then run to us for protection.
They are some of the most liberal #&&#$^@(&_*_)(&* I've ever ran across.
I'm not ready to buy this yet it just sounds right. Remember "Trust but Verify"
(tentative work in progress)
Let’s see, the new version (the one our children will say of us)
might go like this:
First they took the guns from all felons,
But I was not a felon, so I said nothing.
Then they took the guns from those who had criminal records as children.
But I had no criminal record, so I said nothing.
Then they took the guns from the police who had ever fought bitterly with
their wives.
But I never fought so badly with my wife that the police found out, so I said
nothing.
Then they took the guns from our military veterans who had a combat-related
problem.
But I was not a military veteran, so I said nothing.
Then they took away everybody’s guns.
Now none of us dare say anything.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 19, 2000).]
Let’s see, the new version (the one our children will say of us)
might go like this:
First they took the guns from all felons,
But I was not a felon, so I said nothing.
Then they took the guns from those who had criminal records as children.
But I had no criminal record, so I said nothing.
Then they took the guns from the police who had ever fought bitterly with
their wives.
But I never fought so badly with my wife that the police found out, so I said
nothing.
Then they took the guns from our military veterans who had a combat-related
problem.
But I was not a military veteran, so I said nothing.
Then they took away everybody’s guns.
Now none of us dare say anything.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 19, 2000).]
CoastieN70
New member
The VA has been instructed to hand over medical records?
Think about this people. The single most sacred record in this country is a medical record. To hand it over to another agency without a court order or permission from the patient is soooo against the law that anyone doing so would be seriously libal financially.
Sounds like someone is baiting us for a reaction.
Think about this people. The single most sacred record in this country is a medical record. To hand it over to another agency without a court order or permission from the patient is soooo against the law that anyone doing so would be seriously libal financially.
Sounds like someone is baiting us for a reaction.
What will happen is, they will look into our medical records and find SOMETHING wrong with us. For example, they may say that since I served in Somalia, I may have some blah blah blah syndrome and is not sane to own a firearm. Or, ArmySon served in Bosnia so he's not sane enough to own a firearm. So on and on and on.
I asked my VFW Post Commander about this and he hasn't heard anything.
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Son
1911 Addiction
I asked my VFW Post Commander about this and he hasn't heard anything.
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Son
1911 Addiction