condition one concealed carry

how do you carry? and why?

  • Condition 1 Cocked and Locked

    Votes: 61 67.0%

  • Condition 2 Chambered Hammer down

    Votes: 31 34.1%

  • Condition 3 full Mag None it the pipe

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • Total voters
    91
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Derekadavis

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is it safe to carry a taurus 917 in condtion one? it has a frame mounted safety and i just do not feel that safe. i carry in condition 2 W/ safety on. what are the advantages and disadvantages?
 
do not carry with hammer cocked.

Derek,

Your Taurus is not a SA only firearm like a 1911 and designed to be carried cocked and locked.

It's a semi (DA/SA).

I would not recommend you carry it with the hammer back. You're just asking for trouble you don't need. Keep the hammer down and the gun is ready to go - just pull the trigger and your off.
 
It is safe to carry your gun with a round chambered and the safety off. Being DA/SA, you just draw and pull the trigger. As previously stated, it is not designed to be carried with the hammer cocked.
 
I carry a Steyr S40, a striker fired DAO with a trigger safety and a frame-mounted trigger finger safety. I carry a full mag with one in the chamber and the frame-mounted trigger finger safety on.
 
I could not answer the poll question because for me, it depends:

SAO first shot pistol such as Taurus PT145 or a 1911 would be cocked and locked with safety on.

DA first shot pistol such as a decocked PT92, Beretta 92FS, Ruger P345 and your 917 would be hammer down, safety off.

Always with a round chambered + full magazine.
 
Is it safe to carry with round in chamber?

Yes, you can safely carry almost all modern DA/SA semi auto's with a loaded round in the chamber and the hammer down so long as your holster covers the trigger.

Glock doesn't have a safety so that's a mute point. The only real design that is made specifically are the SA only guns like the 1911 to be carried cocked and locked with the safety on, of course.

If you do feel safer to have the chamber unloaded but carry the mag fully loaded that's fine. You just have to rack the slide when the need arises. Yes, for the die hards out there it's a waste of time but if this makes you feel more comfortable and you carry more then so be it.

Remember never let your guard down with a gun - just that one time is all it takes. Never say "I'm the only one in this room qualified to handle this gun.... Boom!" So, that's what happened to the DEA agent when he was teaching a classroom on gun safety.
 
So, that's what happened to the DEA agent when he was teaching a classroom on gun safety.
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He was right. Anyone with lesser qualifications would have missed his leg and hit one of the students.
 
Depends on the pistol I am carrying and the action of that pistol.

My 1911 is Condition 1, cocked and safety on.
My Sig is Condition 1 as well, chambered but the hammer is down...because it is a DA pistol, there is no safety.
My S&W snubby is carried fully loaded and hammer down...its a DA as well.
 
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WOW, my Sergeant and I were just talking about this last night. He had just bought a Sig 239 and took it to the range. He reholstered and went about his errands. While he was at the barbershop he couldn't remember if he had decocked prior to holstering. He went to the john, checked and hadn't decocked. We came to the determination as long as you are following the commandments of gun safety there is no more risk that carrying hammer down with the gun in a holster that covers the trigger.

I am not suggesting this mode of carry because that is not how the weapon was designed to be operated. I just don't think he was inherently unsafe.
 
We came to the determination as long as you are following the commandments of gun safety there is no more risk that carrying hammer down with the gun in a holster that covers the trigger.
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Congratulations. You just sided with Glock owners on the eternal debate about lack of a manual safety. :)
 
I might point out that one of the advantages of cocked and locked that no other carry method offers (for automatics) is that it actually locks the slide in place. For other carry methods it is possible to cause the slide to retract (probably only partly) when reholstering the pistol in a snug fitting hoster, which I presume most are. One or two pistol models can be locked hammer down, curiously enough, though the same models cannot be safely carried with a round chambered that way.

All this only applies to pistols with a slide, of course.
 
I might point out that one of the advantages of cocked and locked that no other carry method offers (for automatics) is that it actually locks the slide in place.
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I believe that varies amongst guns and would only apply on those guns when the safety is on.
 
It Depends. Question is Flawed.

could not answer the poll question because for me, it depends:

SAO first shot pistol such as Taurus PT145 or a 1911 would be cocked and locked with safety on.
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+1 with Squid. How I carry depends entirely on WHAT I carry.
 
While the 917 (an updated 92 according to Taurus) is made to allow C&L, being a DA semi at heart I don't know that I would do it. Taurus doesn't say a thing about a firing pin block (which the 92 has) or grip safety both of which are on a 1911. I carry my 1911 C&L. I carry my CZ hammer down on a loaded chamber even though I could leave it C&L and it does have a FP block. As a side note the manual on the Taurus web site lists C&L as a safe way to carry this pistol. Knowing what I know about this model I'd carry decocked with the safety on. If they kept the FP block I'd carry decocked safety off.
 
Not carrying C&L means to me that you think you will have the necessary time to either cock the hammer or chamber a round after you have decided to draw your weapon.

If I have made the decision to draw I want my gun to be as ready to discharge as safely possible immediately - so Cocked & Locked seems to be the only acceptable condition.
 
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