Concealment T-Shirt opinions
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chris in va
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I'll get completely flamed for saying this, but I'm quite satisfied with a Clipdraw on my Kahr and P11. No holster, as long as you're careful inserting, it stays put and you hardly notice it's there compared to other IWB rigs I've tried.
ChicagoTex
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I think you guys are missing the point, I'm pretty sure he's talking about a rig like this:
Personally, I think it's a terrible idea because it doesn't seem very secure, is likely woefully uncomfortable, and makes for a terrible drawing motion. As to whether or not it'll support a Makarov, at 25oz unloaded my gut says "maybe".
Personally, I think it's a terrible idea because it doesn't seem very secure, is likely woefully uncomfortable, and makes for a terrible drawing motion. As to whether or not it'll support a Makarov, at 25oz unloaded my gut says "maybe".
ChicagoTex
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Consider yourself flamed
, for all the reasons I'm sure you've heard before.I don't consider those things safe.
/flame off
That said, it's your call - just don't cry to me when ya shoot yerself
I've got both the Kramer and 511 undershirt holsters.
I prefer the Kramer (Confidant). It has actual "holsters" attached to the shirt and holds things in one spot without a lot of movenemt. The 511 just has pockets the gun slips into, and the guns are not really positioned or held in any one position and tend to move around more. You are limited to smaller guns too (or at least for me you are).
I've worn my Kramer with a Colt Commander on one side, and its double reload in its belt carrier on the other, under a full cut oxford dress shirt with no troubles. The weight of the heavier guns and their gear does start to wear on you as the day goes on, but its still very doable. I do find two SIG P230s are much more comfortable though.
Access isnt all that bad, and really no slower than anything else under a tucked in shirt.
Kramer suggests buying the shirt one size smaller than you usually wear, which I did. This helps keep things snug, and from flopping around. With the lighter guns, its very comfortable for day long wear.
The other advantage to the Kramer over the 511 is, you can wear a normal tee shirt under it, where the 511 "is" the tee shirt. Another issue with the 511 is, they come in "white" (make that brilliant, lit up white!) and dark blue (if I remember correctly). The white shirt makes you look like you just got out of boot camp.
If your looking at the undershirt option, you may also want to look at the Smart Carry. Since I got mine, I dont use my Kramer much anymore. The Smart Carry is much more comfortable and versatile, but it does tend to limit the size of your gun, or at least for me it does, due to my choice of pants. With the right clothes, you can carry pretty much anything. You also can do it in sweatpants or shorts, and you dont even need a shirt.
I prefer the Kramer (Confidant). It has actual "holsters" attached to the shirt and holds things in one spot without a lot of movenemt. The 511 just has pockets the gun slips into, and the guns are not really positioned or held in any one position and tend to move around more. You are limited to smaller guns too (or at least for me you are).
I've worn my Kramer with a Colt Commander on one side, and its double reload in its belt carrier on the other, under a full cut oxford dress shirt with no troubles. The weight of the heavier guns and their gear does start to wear on you as the day goes on, but its still very doable. I do find two SIG P230s are much more comfortable though.
Access isnt all that bad, and really no slower than anything else under a tucked in shirt.
Kramer suggests buying the shirt one size smaller than you usually wear, which I did. This helps keep things snug, and from flopping around. With the lighter guns, its very comfortable for day long wear.
The other advantage to the Kramer over the 511 is, you can wear a normal tee shirt under it, where the 511 "is" the tee shirt. Another issue with the 511 is, they come in "white" (make that brilliant, lit up white!) and dark blue (if I remember correctly). The white shirt makes you look like you just got out of boot camp.
If your looking at the undershirt option, you may also want to look at the Smart Carry. Since I got mine, I dont use my Kramer much anymore. The Smart Carry is much more comfortable and versatile, but it does tend to limit the size of your gun, or at least for me it does, due to my choice of pants. With the right clothes, you can carry pretty much anything. You also can do it in sweatpants or shorts, and you dont even need a shirt.
armsmaster270
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I have had no problem with a 226 on one side and a 340PD on the other under a dress shirt with a 5.11 T Shirt
I was at a gun show, ironically, . . . yesterday in Columbus, Ohio. A guy there was doing all he could to make sales, . . . and it was all I could do to not laugh in his face.
I cannot fathom any self respecting burglar, bungler, thug, mugger, rapist, or murderer who would stand still while his "objective" calmly unbuttoned the outer shirt and thrust half his arm inside to retrieve his/her handgun.
Nahhhhhh, . . . give me a holster, . . . something I can have a handgun out of and on target while the tee shirter is trying to remember which side has the gun and which has the ammo.
Imagine forgetting, . . . pulling out a full, double stack mag and pointing it at the bg???? :barf:
May God bless,
Dwight
I cannot fathom any self respecting burglar, bungler, thug, mugger, rapist, or murderer who would stand still while his "objective" calmly unbuttoned the outer shirt and thrust half his arm inside to retrieve his/her handgun.
Nahhhhhh, . . . give me a holster, . . . something I can have a handgun out of and on target while the tee shirter is trying to remember which side has the gun and which has the ammo.
Imagine forgetting, . . . pulling out a full, double stack mag and pointing it at the bg???? :barf:
May God bless,
Dwight
