Concealed carry and universities . . . .

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Slateman

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OK, so today I filed the paperwork for my CCW here in Northern VA. Yay Slateman for getting off his butt :D

And then I was struck by the though, what about school?

For those that care, I go to George Mason University. It has the largest student body in VA (like 30,000+ ). I have spoken with a campus police officer that said, "There are a lot more stabbings here than I thought there would be." The student handbook says, naturally, they're not allowed. Then again, stabbings aren't allowed either

Packing.org says "School property/school functions unless gun is unloaded, in an enclosed container (but NOT in the glove box or console) and in the vehicle. A car's trunk is considered an enclosed container. However, a concealed handgun permit holder can have a loaded, concealed handgun in the vehicle while in the school parking lot, traffic circle, etc. The handgun must stay in the vehicle. Firearms are not banned from property open to the public where a school function is being held unless that property is being used exclusively for the school function. Violation of this statute is a felony"

So I'm guessing that I'm pretty much screwed right? I mean, the best I can do is keep it in my car. BTW - It takes me 15 minutes to walk from the parking lot to class IF I get a good spot.

EDIT - Did a little more research. Here's VA's legal code It says "A. If any person possesses any (i) stun weapon or taser as defined in this section; (ii) knife, except a pocket knife having a folding metal blade of less than three inches; or (iii) weapon, including a weapon of like kind, designated in subsection A of § 18.2-308, other than a firearm; upon (a) the property of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds; (b) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (c) any school bus owned or operated by any such school, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor."

Says nothing about colleges. So now what? Honestly, I doubt something would happen, but . . . .
 
In Oregon (even though K-12 school carry by CCW's is allowed via State Law), the Colleges thought they could make no gun polices.

But the State of Oregon states that only the legislature can make gun laws.

So it's legal here and the school can't do anything about it :).

Now, in your State, if it has the same wording as ours (that only the legislature can make gun laws), doesn't have a "no guns policy" in the law (where businesses can post), then you should be okay.

I would ask the AG or a criminal case lawyer. Maybe even throw an email to the NRAILA to find out what their take on the law.

Wayne
 
Get's even trickier. I don't see that "only the legislature can make gun laws." part.

But they do say, "O. The granting of a concealed handgun permit shall not thereby authorize the possession of any handgun or other weapon on property or in places where such possession is otherwise prohibited by law or is prohibited by the owner of private property."

So . . . is my Univ. public or private property?
 
Just to make sure you realize that regardless of the law, if the school has a no weapons policy and you are caught breaking it, you most likely have you continued education at that institution terminated...
 
ATW

Just to make sure you realize that regardless of the law, if the school has a no weapons policy and you are caught breaking it, you most likely have you continued education at that institution terminated
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They (the school) can't do that here in Oregon. They have tried. Now they are trying to get the law changed via the legislature.

BC,

True :).

Wayne
 
Slateman:

As a faculty member at a university, I can tell you that you had better check with the campus police AND with an attorney. I don't know VA law, but almost all schools really frown on having weapons on campus and most (if not all) specifically ban it. You can call the campus police and see whether they honor your CCW. You would otherwise risk getting suspended from school while the legal issues play out, which would NOT be a good thing from any perspective.
 
Snake I would rather be alive and for (women NOT RAPED/KILLED) and be suspended from school, than be dead or raped.

Think about it.. if you're dead.. you're eternally suspended.
 
The act of SELF preservation is the responsibility of ones self.

Some may say that the school is the owner of that property and what they say goes, Which is true. But you cannot forget the amount of rapes reported every year at universities, and the amount of robbings. Some of these campuses are HUGE, and the 20 or 30 "School Police" officers cannot protect EACH and EVERY single person.

And If I were entering someones house that did not approve of me wearing a gun, I would obey their command if I absolutely had to be there, if not I would leave.

But a school is not someones house, at a school, especially a huge school anyone can enter it.. guest or not, it's just way too big.

And I'll be damned if I don't have the means to defend myself while at school.

Been doing it for 4 years and I will not stop now.

Just over a month ago two girls were raped...TWO at the same time...I guess walking in pairs does nothing if youre out numbered/powered....right?
 
They (the school) can't do that here in Oregon. They have tried. Now they are trying to get the law changed via the legislature.
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Has something new happened on that front? The last I heard the challenge against the OUS firearms ban got dismissed on procedural grounds and there wasn't going to be any appeal.
 
I went up to my schools security office, and spoke with one of the officers there, they are pretty cool guy's (atleast the 3 that were there).

To become a police officer for the school...

You have to have atleast a bachelors degree.

Or 4 years recent experience in LE. (The last year of service could not have been more than 10 years ago)

So these guys are pretty much REAL cops, not just guards. The three that were there were packing a mix of different guns, but all were .40sw. Beretta, and two Glocks. One of the glocks was the FS and one was the compact.

They knew their guns pretty well, and they went shooting on the schools dime biweekly.

I asked them for their views on students packing, and they said they dont see why it's banned, but it is, and they will enforce the rules. One of the cops said that if the people just KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES no one will ever know, unless the person uses it... and if you use it to save your life... then it was worth it.
 
ATW,

No, they aren't going to appeal in courts or anything but they are having talks with ol' burdick to introduce a bill in '07 that would ban the possesion of arms in all schools, including universities.

Luckily, all bills by burdick died in committee but if re-elected she has vowed to really push the bills in next session.

Right now the dems in the state are expecting a complete take over of the House, Senate, and Governorship in the next election and when (if) that happens they will impose California type gun laws, vehicle emissions (if K2 doesn't just do a direct order), add a state income tax, taking the caps off property taxes, add a cell phone "surcharge" (read tax), raise the fees (read tax) on car tags, and adopt NYC smoking taxes and restrictions.

I have an "insider" that is on some of the state dems committees :D. This is the "secret" agenda that they have for Oregon (I don't know why the dems want Oregon to become northern California :( ).

Wayne
 
As always, packing.org provides a ready answer. In Virginia, under "places off-limits while carrying:"

* School property/school functions unless gun is unloaded, in an enclosed container (but NOT in the glove box or console) and in the vehicle. A car's trunk is considered an enclosed container. However, a concealed handgun permit holder can have a loaded, concealed handgun in the vehicle while in the school parking lot, traffic circle, etc. The handgun must stay in the vehicle. Firearms are not banned from property open to the public where a school function is being held unless that property is being used exclusively for the school function. Violation of this statute is a felony.

* Virginia Commonwealth University (8VAC90-10-50). Violation is a trespass charge
 
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All I'm gonna do is say the age old: Better tried by twelve...

Some of us live in no carry STATES.

At least for you its just Uni.
 
Many are assuming that CHL permits are actually legal in the first place and "maintain" rights.

I carried on a university and will continue to carry. Even though I know that the administrators woudl wet their pants.
 
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