Conceal carry pistol for a small guy

phwe9774

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I am a fairly small guy (5'8" about 150 lbs). I currently carry a Glock 23 as my daily carry weapon, but it starts getting heavy as the day goes on and it can get a little difficult to hide (living in Arizona, it's almost a given that someone is carrying if they're wearing a button up shirt and they aren't at church or a funeral).

Now I'm obviously going to handle any firearm before I walk out of the store with it, but suggestions for a couple pistols to start with would be greatly appreciated.
 
Here's an older thread about the S&W .380 Bodyguard and the Ruger .380 LCP, both small semi-auto's...in some people's opinion too small

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532701&highlight=lcp

Here's a link to info on the S&W Bodyguard
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57892_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Here's a link to the Ruger LCP
http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/models.html

And no discussion of small semi-autos would be complete without mentioning Kahr Arms. They seem to have a loyal following but I've got no first hand knowledge about them.
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Pistols.asp
 
is the gun too bulky or too long in the bbl and grip?

the Walther PPS and Kahr poly guns offer .40 cal options.

IWB rigs abound for each.
 
You have many smaller choices in .40 if thats what you want, a Glock 27 and M&P .40 compact just to add a few to Jerry's suggestions. If it were my money I would give Springfields XDs line serious consideration.
 
Jerry, the 23 seems to be too bulky. Except for button ups, all my shirts seem to hug it, even with an IWB holster.

Thanks for the suggestions everybody
 
go with a single stack. the Walther PPS is a great gun, I have one in 9mm but they are offered in .40cal too if you prefer. they are thin and have magazine options for grip length as well as grip strap options. of course there are the Kahr poly guns too, I have the PM9 and it is even smaller than the Glock 42.
 
Consider a Springfield XDs, S&W Shield, Ruger LC9s, Kahr PM9/CM9, to name a few. Single stack makes all the difference, if you're willing to compromise.
 
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Glock 23 = 21 oz (w/o mag)
Kahr CM9 = 14 oz (w/o mag)

ammo weight of G23 of 115 gr. rounds (13 +1 ) = 5.89 oz
ammo weight of CM9 of 115 gr. rounds (6 +1) = 2.94 oz

So you would save about 10 ounces of weight carrying a single stack Kahr CM9 loaded with 6+1 rounds over the Glock 23 with 13 + q rounds.

The Kahr is smaller and slimmer.
 
Look at a Walther PPS. The ultra-thin single-stack guns like the PPS, Shield, Nano, PM9 and so on are all better guns in 9mm than .40, though.

Build quality is best on the PPS and the Nano out of all pistols in this category, but I much prefer the trigger and ergonomics of the PPS over the Nano. I would probably carry a Shield with an APEX trigger kit over the Nano, too, even if it's a step down in build quality. It's plenty good enough on that count, and it feels better in the hand to me. At least see how all of these feel in your hand, and rent them at a range if you can.
 
I have a PM9 and its a jewel. that said, their econo guns seem to be hit or miss out of the box. many users are spending as much on ammo to break it in that they spent on the gun itself.
 
I have a PM9 and its a jewel. that said, their econo guns seem to be hit or miss out of the box. many users are spending as much on ammo to break it in that they spent on the gun itself.

I agree with the "hit or miss" part, though I think that goes for the whole polymer Kahr lineup. (Their top steel-framed guns clearly get more attention in final finishing.) The PM9 seems to work pretty well overall these days, but it definitely had its issues in earlier years. I have friends that have had no trouble with theirs, and I have others that have had to send theirs back to the factory one or more times.

Based upon my experience and what I've read of the experience of others, I would stay far, far away from the P380 (if you consider a .380 at some point). Mine has made four return trips to Kahr (on their dime, sometimes after some arm-twisting) and had virtually every problem you could imagine at one time or another. They declared the frame defective twice, and they've changed every part in the gun but the stripped-down slide at least once. It's still not 100%.

The problem with Kahrs (the polymers, at least) is that they're machined for a tight fit but not to very precise tolerances. (People often seem to conflate tightness and precision in gun manufacturing for some reason, even though they're two completely different concepts.) I'm not sure there's any final finishing work at all that takes place at the factory; if there is, those people should be fired immediately, because they're stealing the company's money. Every new polymer-framed Kahr I've looked at has burrs on the slide rails, has high spots on the frame rails, and has roughly-finished polymer. Many have burrs on the barrel hood. I've seen several with poorly-cut crowns. I took a chance and bought my P380 new on Gunbroker at a very attractive price, ceding the ability to visually inspect it first, which was a dumb move. The dovetails on my slide are very sloppily milled, with the rear sight slightly canted sideways as a consequence. The barrel hood had a ridiculously large burr straight from the factory. The slide rails and frame rails had the standard burrs and high spots. The magazines seem to have been welded and crimped by someone failing their sixth-grade summer-school shop class.

Despite these issues, recent PM9 customers don't seem to have much trouble as far as I can tell. The pistols are certainly attractive from a size/weight standpoint, and they're comfortable to shoot. If you don't mind a longer trigger pull, the Kahr trigger is really nice. But if you can handle just a little more weight and height/length, you can get higher-quality pistols that are just as thin.
 
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You are not that small, women who are shorter and weight less carry just about any carry gun out there ... just learn to dress for whichever one is your choice...

Like ice skating, you can't do it unless you dress for it! NO skates no skating ... no cover no gun...

NO gun is as comfortable as not carrying at all; victim statistics is fraught with comfortable folks...
 
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Thanks for the input Austin, but I don't think I'll be getting a Kahr after reading that.

WildBill, I understand that no gun is more comfortable than any gun, but there are guns that are more comfortable than others. Like I said in my original post, I live in AZ. If I was to dress to conceal my Glock 23, I'd likely die of heat stroke before I'd ever need the gun. This is why I asked about smaller guns.

A lot of what has been said here isn't necessarily new info so much as stuff I didn't think of on my own, like single stack instead of double stack, and I appreciate everyone's input and welcome more.

Thanks guys
 
I had an xds in 45 and liked it quite a lot - they make it in 40 now I believe.
I wound up switching in the other direction because I live in Maine, and between the temperature and my body type, I rarely have any trouble concealing my glock 19.

But I wouldn't change my wardrobe specifically to work with a bigger gun.
There are too many really good subcompacts out there for there to be any reason to.
 
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