Company gun ban and CCW. What can we do?

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marlboroman84

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Ok this has been on my mind alot lately as crime is going up around me, i'm about to be carrying,(waiting on my permit:( ) and the company I work for does not allow guns on property at all. I won't say who I work for,but it's one of the top 2 package distributors in the world. Seeing as how we are located at airports and the job tends to be high stress they will not allow us to even have our firearm in the car permit or not. Now my problem is not carrying at work, it's the company saying you can't defend yourself to and from work. Obviously if I can't keep it in my car I'm not gonna have it on the way there or on the way home. I see this as a violation of my right to self defense and think I should be allowed to at least have it locked away in the car. You know put a lock on it,unload it something, but not being able to have it at all is absurd to me. I doubt I'd ever change the minds of the people that run the company without alot of lawyers and alot of money, but what can I do if anything? The corporate security does do random searches (although i've never seen one), but would it be worth it to just risk it or am I just S.O.L? Anyone have ideas or have to deal with this themselves? I'd love to hear from moderators and lawyers on this one.
 
Park off company property. They can't search your property if it is not on their property.

I worked for ;) Ground and we had the same restrictions, but it was a joke since half the morning crew would go out and shoot trap once a week after work; that includes the morning shift manager. I assume things would be different working at the hub though.
 
Ethicly all you can do is change jobs or not carry , that being said i do not belive anyone can force you to open a locked container without a warrent , tho the employee policy may adress that issue via some sort of punishment up to and including fireing you . I am assuming that the car is in a non secure lot here ( not part of the secured portion of the airport past checkpoints since that might be a whole issue by itsself )
 
I worked for Ground and we had the same restrictions, but it was a joke since half the morning crew would go out and shoot trap once a week after work; that includes the morning shift manager. I assume things would be different working at the hub though.
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It is much different. My manager carries and he doesn't like it either, but he's almost ready to become a SR. Manager so he doesn't wanna fuss lol.

Ethicly all you can do is change jobs or not carry , that being said i do not belive anyone can force you to open a locked container without a warrent , tho the employee policy may adress that issue via some sort of punishment up to and including fireing you . I am assuming that the car is in a non secure lot here ( not part of the secured portion of the airport past checkpoints since that might be a whole issue by itsself
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Our policy basically says that if you have a locked container that you won't open for security you can be fired. I assume for failure to cooperate with security. Which our security aren't rent-a-cops they are FAA police basically.
There are 2 places to park, the first being the secured lot which the company patrols and is fenced in and you have to show ID to enter. The 2nd would be the street where you can do whatever you want. So basically it's "their lot,their rules." As for parking on the street, it's kind of a bad area and cars get broken into frequently that are parked off the lot.
 
I would guess (as a former Memphian :) ) that off-airport parking would not be very convenient.

Have you talked to anyone in management (or the union, if you have one) about the policy? A possible alternative might be to allow licensed weapons to be brought onto the property and locked up by the company until you leave.
 
I would guess (as a former Memphian ) that off-airport parking would not be very convenient.
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No more likely to get car and all it's inhabitants stolen.

Have you talked to anyone in management (or the union, if you have one) about the policy? A possible alternative might be to allow licensed weapons to be brought onto the property and locked up by the company until you leave.
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Talked to a few managers who carry or are at least pro-gun, but since it's dealing with FAA and Corporate executives it'd take alot of time and effort to get it changed and most people don't worry about it that much. We are a non-union company, so that's out. I may look into proposing something like that since i'm good friends with one of the security guards. Hopefully I can get more people behind me and get something changed over.
 
Now my problem is not carrying at work, it's the company saying you can't defend yourself to and from work.
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The company has not said this at all. You are interpreting their policy in relation to your lack of training, motivation, and creativity. As noted, park off property, but your car isn't protected by security off property and so you complain. Great. Change jobs.

I am amazed by gun folks who think they are not sheeple because they own or carry guns, and yet without a gun, they revert back to being nothing but sheep, feeling completely defenseless.

Dude, time for new training beyond guns, changing jobs, or whatever, but don't blame the company because you aren't willing to park off property with contraband and feel defenseless if you can't have a firearm and park on property.
 
The company has not said this at all. You are interpreting their policy in relation to your lack of training, motivation, and creativity. As noted, park off property, but your car isn't protected by security off property and so you complain. Great. Change jobs.

I am amazed by gun folks who think they are not sheeple because they own or carry guns, and yet without a gun, they revert back to being nothing but sheep, feeling completely defenseless.

Dude, time for new training beyond guns, changing jobs, or whatever, but don't blame the company because you aren't willing to park off property with contraband and feel defenseless if you can't have a firearm and park on property.
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Allright I'll try to keep it civil, but since you don't know me and have made sweeping generalizations about me don't be offended if I return the favor;)
First off the company is not saying I can't defend myself, but they are saying I cannot do it with any type of weapon because weapons are banned on company property. You say I lack training,motivation, and creativity? I went through Army BCT,have studied martial arts, and been through and taught a few self defense classes. Motivation is this thread to get ideas and by talking to people at work to possibly get something done about it. Creativity, well I'm not Macguyver and would prefer not to have to take on an armed assailant with a shoe string and bubble gum unless I just really really had to.

As for changing jobs well I make a fairly decent living doing what I do and as of right now I'm not willing to walk out the door without at least trying to get policy looked at or changed. You seem to like to use terms sheeple and sheep and you accuse me as being defenseless without a gun. This is rather rash. If you knew me I might take into consideration your comments, but as you don't I shall liken you to a mall ninja and refer to you as a "keyboard ninja". You pound away at the keys trying to relate your anger into text form at someone or something you disagree with, but instead of contributing something positive to this discussion as other posters have, you simply bash and react negatively. This isn't a political debate it's a simple question to other people who have the same problem and what we can do to change it.

You say I need new training and or I should change jobs. That I blame the company and so forth. I say this... More training is always good. As I stated above changing jobs is foolish and is not something I was even considering in the first place. I do not blame the company for setting up the policy that I'm sure they saw as a way to maintain safety for their employees, but isn't that all a ban really does is keep the good people in check? As we all know criminals will be criminals even if there is a law against it and i remember a big piece of paper saying "The right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed." I didn't see an asterisk anywhere in there.
 
i keep mine, i mean i would keep it hid .. were you can get to it and locked if possible guards searching without a reason is just lets look and see. always be friendly with guards at gate. most places say and UP to termination. be cool and anti gun comment to the right person every once a while goes a long way:cool: but a good job welll :rolleyes:
 
Wow!!!

I can't believe how Unamerican some of these replies are.

Some of you should move to California. You would feel right at home. This state loves to control every aspect of private property, business' included.
 
The answers are about the law and court rulings. There are some court cases that define the limits of a companies authority. One side says that the car is private property, and the right are similar to the owner's home. But the car is on the company's property. Yes the governnent cab control private property.
Right or wrong is an entirely seperate issue. The point is that the law is on this employer's side, as they well know.
Now my problem is not carrying at work, it's the company saying you can't defend yourself to and from work.
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This tends to make people think that the poster is saying the company is telling him he can't defend himself. What the company is really saying is that up to the point where the car is on company property, it cannot have a gun in it.
The wording also makes people think that the poster feels he cannot defend himself without a gun - posts are all we have to judge each other on.
The law isn't about keeping good people in check or about the safety of the workers. The law is about possible civil suits if somebody goes postal.
If the pay and benefits are too good to change, well the poster has openly decided that the positives outweight the sum of the negatives.
 
Marlboroman
As I see it, you have three, and only three, choices open to you.
First, bring the piece with you, and lock it in your car.
Second, leave it home.
Third, quit the job.
Now, I am not trying to be a hard ass here, but I really don't see any other alternatives open to you. You either take the chance and bring it, or you don't, and you leave it home. If it is found in a random search, the worst that can happen is you get canned. If you are not financially able to take that risk, leave it home.
The best solution is do whatever you feel is right, and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Based on a lot of years as a ranking LEO, I can assure you that "random" searches rarely are. Don't give them anything to think about, and live your life as you see fit.
Y.D.
 
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M: I would think that a provision like this in Kentucky would be realistic in TN:

"A private but not a public employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employer, but may not prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employee..."

Surely some pro-firearm organization is lobbying for something similar. Get involved!
 
Thanks for the responses guys. I don't see you as a hard ass, Yankee. You're telling the truth. Also thanks to Croyance for his post,well said. Hayley, I think my biggest problem is not only is the lot privately owned, but since the company is FAA regulated I think alot of FAA rules fold over onto the company. If I ever truly feel the need to carry it, i.e I have someplace to go after work that would definitely increase my risk, I'll probably take the chance. Mostly though I'm not worried about defending myself without my gun, I mean I made it this long, but having that security there is nice for those big WHAT IF'S. Thanks again for the replies everyone.
 
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