Colt's Newest Toy

Hmm.
I think that may have been what they were shooting on Top Gun.
I wondered about the liklihood of them finding two originals of the same exact model. Even though they did have two Hotchkiss cannons out of the same US Army contract.
 
Wow!

In a way it surprises me that Colt is making them again.

However, I've seen them on Top Gun and in more than a few Youtube videos. Perhaps the Top Gun thing was sort of a marketing test to gauge demand.

You can be sure they wouldn't be making them if they didn't think they could sell them.

I want one.
 
I believe these are US Armament's guns made under Colt licensing, sold exclusively through Midwest Gun Exchange and Florida Gun Exchange.

It's nice, but the price is too high- $37K+ for the unlicensed one, much more for the licensed Hartford-Horsey-logo one. :eek:

A decent, reproduction model 1862 percussion Gatling gun from Battery Gun Company with tripod will start around $5500- and includes a tripod, but only 20 reloadable chambers. :( Chambers are about $600 per hundred, but no extra help for cleaning afterward is included. :p

I know there is a huge difference between the 1877 and the 1862 guns...but why doesn't someone come out with a $3K Gatling that still looks good? I'm more or less surprised the Italians haven't yet.
 
Andy Griffith wrote:
but why doesn't someone come out with a $3K Gatling that still looks good?

I always liked the 1879 Gardner gun better than the Gatling. Less parts, much lighter, about the same rate of crank fire, Gardner was the first water cooled gun in history and the water cooled version used two barrels (hence one reason it was lighter than the more numerous barrel Gatling). Some Gardner's had one barrel and there were also versions with five barrels.

Some pics of the Gardner gun.....

Twin barrel water cooled 1879 Gardner reproduction. (Maxim studied and then err, "borrowed" the design of the Gardner and made it operate using recoil instead of manual cranking, so the Maxim is actually really a recoil operated Gardner).
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Air cooled twin barrel Gardner gun being carried by two Brits. Try carrying a Gatling like that!
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But even the two barrel, water cooled, Gardner gun reproductions of today are in the same high price category as the Gatling reproductions.
Soooo.....something like this is needed.....

For years now I've been wanting to mount two shotguns, side by side in a wide fake receiver, upside down and hopper fed, (like this hopper fed Civil war Union Agar here).....
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.....with a BMF activator crankfire trigger activator in each trigger guard where both BMF activators are joined together so you have the ability to turn one crank handle and fire both shotgun barrels simultaneously or sequentially according to how you position the cam in each trigger activator. It could look a bit like this WW2 air corps training shotgun, only with a better looking fake receiver housing the real shotgun receivers and using twin, inverted, hopper fed, shotguns.......
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.....only with two shotguns and upside down using a hopper fed ammunition feeding device like the Union Agar gun. If using say a Remington 11 or Browning auto 5 recoil operated shotgun, you could even water cool the barrels. Certainly would crank out an unbelievable amount of shot shell pellets, a virtual rain of lead and be cheaper than the 3K mark you mentioned to build Andy. You could literally mow with it.

I have some experience with building things like that.

My third prototype Ruger 10/22, that's convertible in seconds from a truly water cooled to air cooled, crankfired gun with 50 rd MWG teardrop mag. (Can't wait until that GSG 110 rd drum mag for the 10/22 gets imported around Christmas).
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I used the 10/22 because it is inexpensive, easy to find parts everywhere, and fires inexpensive .22LR ammo. But it could almost as easily be done using twin inverted shotguns, hopper fed. Much cheaper than a Gatling or a Gardner. And being shotguns, actually more lead per shot downrange.

I know about those three Saiga shotguns that Red Jacket made to rotate on their t.v. show. A friend of mine just left from working at Red Jacket. But not only is it unnecessary and overly complicated to make the Saiga's rotate, they were also only using 10 rd mags. So they could only fire a total of 30 rds before reloading. Hence the need to hopper feed for more shotshells.



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Bill my friend, you are truly a unique character, you certainly look at the world in a different way.

That rotating shotgun looked like something that they did for TV, I'm sure there's a lot of that going on. Even though the show is silly from time to time, it's stiff fun to watch.
Did your friend tell you any interesting stories from Redjacket?
Thanks, OJW
 
I've always wanted to make an 1862 Gatling. I like the idea of reloadable black-powder chambers in .58 caliber.

I'd love to find a set of plans for one so I could model it in CAD.

Steve
 
OutlawJoseyWales wrote:
Did your friend tell you any interesting stories from Redjacket?

Yes he did. But unfortunately were chiefly his reasons for quitting and leaving which wouldn't be prudent for me to discuss here.


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I think it is just sad that your "representative" government doesn't trust you with real weapons and you are reduced to lookalike toys made out of shotguns and plinkers.
 
Jim, A brand-new cartridge firing Gatling that is hand cranked can be bought with nothing more than filling out a normal 4473- it is not considered a machine gun. Pre-86 machineguns are just expensive, but they're out there. Post samples are cheaper, but far more hoops to go through- more than most people want to or have the money to do.

The problem is the cost. :(
 
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Jim Watson wrote:
I think it is just sad that your "representative" government doesn't trust you with real weapons and you are reduced to lookalike toys made out of shotguns and plinkers.

I respect your opinion Jim, but I wouldn't exactly call these weapons mentioned as "reducing" us to toys since they are already real weapons in their own right before being made to crank fire. When I'm crank firing a stream of .22's out of mine, I sure wouldn't want to be standing in front of it. And twin crankfire shotguns would be possibly more devastating and definitely throw more lead than a .30 cal military machine gun. With my friend that used to work at Red Jacket assisting me, I turned a Saiga 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun upside down, put a BMF activator, trigger activator on it, took the spring, follower and floorplate out of the mag to make more space for shells and loaded up the mag to work as a hopper, and with both he and I firmly holding it, I rapidly crankfired it as an experiment. It worked flawlessly. I can definitely tell you....it wasn't a toy.


(I snipped out some unnecessary political text that I wrote that really wasn't germain to this thread.)


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There are an awful lot of things I would not want to "stand in front of" that would not be my choice to stand behind. Unless you can say that you would prefer a crank fired device to a real automatic, and can demonstrate a functional or tactical advantage to manual power; I will continue to dismiss them as imitations for a repressive jurisdiction. Excepting, of course, reproductions of historical designs as in the OP.
 
Jim Watson wrote:
I will continue to dismiss them as imitations for a repressive jurisdiction.

No disagreement from me on that point Jim. I agree that a repressive congressional jurisdiction (The N.F.A. as well as the A.T.F.) has violated our 2nd amendment federally since 1934. However, since we still like to have fun shooting what goes rat-a-tat-tat, unless we can afford tens of thousands of dollars for pre '86 machine guns, crank fire activated guns are a viable alternative to be able to at least engage in rat-a-tat-tat. Have you ever fired a crank fired gun? You might be surprised how fast and accurate they can shoot, especially when tripod mounted. I can easily keep all my rounds on a pie plate at 50 yards. And ultimately what does it matter to our pleasure of shooting it if it is a crank fired weapon rather than a full auto?
One of the members here (Andy Griffith) posted wondering why no one had made a Gatling repro for under 3K. I was simply showing rapid fire crank firing guns that were much cheaper alternatives to the Gatling that would be under the 3K mark he mentioned.


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we still like to have fun shooting what goes rat-a-tat-tat,

I guess a lot of my opinion is based on having gotten the rat a tat tat out of my system a number of years ago. I know one guy who got a live legal Thompson in 1987 and only had to pay about twice the 1985 price; another who had a very interesting connection with a government agency; and a couple more who just coughed up the money. They were good about sharing (showing off) their stuff and I got all the fun I wanted for the cost of ammo, sometimes not even that. So it is now just a slightly mysterious novelty to read about or see on tv.
 
I understand Jim. So you really aren't much interested in rapid firing weapons whether they be machine guns or manually cranked Gatlings or Gardners or any other manually hand cranked firing weapons since as you said, you got that "rat-a-tat-tat out of your system" long ago. So you really have very little interest in this thread other than as "just a slightly mysterious novelty to read about or see on tv" as you mentioned.


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Right, it's just light entertainment, less predictable than network TV but of no greater effect on my real interests or spending.
 
Ah...

It just boils down to personal taste. ;)
I'd rather shoot a tuned 1860 with real blackpowder than a semi-auto centerfire any day of the week- that's just personal preference. It's just what you enjoy.

I'd enjoy a nice 1862 Gatling...but I'd rather enjoy the sixty, one-hundred dollar bills sitting in my pocket. :D
 
Anyone want to tackle how to make a four gun, .22 Gatling style, with drum magazines?
Using 10-22s, no doubt.
Two barrels over two barrels, in a square configuration.
That would be the one.
 
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