Colt's "new" lineup?

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CrociJA

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Looked oversome of Colt's 1911 and 1991 offerings on www.youngsguns.com. Prices look comparable to Springfield and Kimber.
The first 1911 I ever fired was a hold-over until the M-9's came in, I remember shooting it, thinking how loose it had gotten over the last thirty-fifty years. But still I qualified and I always had a soft spot for the Colt 1911A1.
Now don't get me wrong I have other pistols, but I've been looking over 1911's.
In your opinion are the 1911's Colts currently putting out just as good as the entire lineup of Kimbers and Springfields? Are they worth it? Be nice to have a "true" 1911A1!:D

Happy Thanksgiving!

--Do they make IWB rigs for pre/post Thanksgiving?--;)

Jon
 
Yes, and as you noted, you will have the only true JMB sanctioned commercial model of the US Pistol Model of 1911A1. Enjoy your Colt!
 
I would really wait to hear the opinions of those who've shot them.

I've been bent over by Colt in the past few years on a Python and Gold Cup
because I shared BigG's sentiments about the "Colt" mystique.

It ain't there anymore. Could it come back?

Maybe, but not w/ some leftist schumerite at the helm,
in spite of getting an old Army man as figurehead.

All my Colts (top-of-the-line, too) are Monday or Friday guns. :(

My DS-II was a Friday the 13th gun. :mad:
 
The "new" Colt 1911A1 is just the "old" 1991A1 with different roll marks and a metal trigger instead of a plastic trigger. The price went up, but quality didn't.
 
Well, one improvement is...

it no longer has Series 80 lockwork. Dunno what that means if Colt tries to sell it in Kalifornia, though.

Kinda funny, that thing you say about anything other than a Colt being a copy. I'd have gone one step further - if it isn't a Colt, it's still probably a Browning patent!:D
 
Albeit a copy that likely has better quality since they can't hide behind a long dead reputation.

I can't, for the life of me, see why anyone would foist this advertising slogan upon us
if they have any honest -to-God experience with Colt products of the last 5 years or so.

My experience:

Python "Elite" : 4 trips back to Colt, often for problems their repairs exacerbated,
such as putting my barrel about 5-10 degrees offcenter to fix the .010 cylinder gap.

Gold Cup "Trophy": Never sent it back (thank God, learned my lesson).
Spent $300 for trigger job (included fixing wandering overtravel screw) and
machining and refinishing the slide with its wavy and uneven flats so it looked good to anyone
w/ a BAC of .15 EtOH or less.

DS-II: 3, now 4 trips. Broken firing pin afte 200 rounds. Loses its timing consistently such that it
won't lockup at least once per cylinder (not on the same chamber either) b/c the hand slips
past the ratchet.



Please offer concrete examples, not commercial shibboleths, of why Colt is so great
that, ALSO DATE TO THE HERE AND NOW, not WWII and the immediately ensuing years.
Those guys are dead. Haitian and Mexican immigrant members of the UAW now make Colts.

I want someone with some education and experience crafting my gun,
not a guy who was a farmhand before he got off the boat.

Unskilled labor has a place, just not making guns.:barf:

Political Correctness be damned.
 
Don't blame the workers, blame their bosses. You can get a chimpanzee to push the CAD/CAM machine buttons if you train him well enough.
 
I owned a Colt MKIV Series 80 Gov't and a Gold Cup back in the 80's. They were both solid guns and loved them both. In the 90's when Colt had their "problems" I was on the Glock/Sig trip (still am) so I didn't acquire any Colts during that time.

A few months ago I started to rent a Colt 1991A1 at my local range manufactured in the late 90's. It has 150,000+ rounds but its still tight and shoots great. And you know how much abuse those poor rental guns take. I asked one of the managers about it and he said its been holding up really well. I've been going back to shoot that rental and its impressed me everytime (except for the cheap magazine). Over at www.1911forum.com most of the owners of the new Colts seem to be really happy with their's and saying Colt is back again. Since then I went out and put a Colt 1991A1 on layaway so I'll find out how good they are for myself.

I like so many others are rooting for Colt to get back on the saddle again!
 
Colt's firearms, or, Sam doesn't live here anymore.

I've owned five. I still own four. The one I don't own anymore was so bad Colt gave me my retail price back for the gun in American dollars. It was a blued Mustang whose slide was chewed up by the slide stop, twice. Too soft of slide or too hard of slide stop, methinks.

Other four--impeccable. Most recent is a 1998 Lew Horton Custom Shop Commander. Others are a bright stainless officer's from around 1995 and two Govt. .380's, a newer one in stainless and an older one in nickel with blue slide stop, safety, etc.

Unfortunately, Colt has earned their reputation of inconsistent quality control. The problem for them now may be the expectations of consumers used to Glock or Sig or CZ reliability and quality.

Regards.
 
Colt's QC is still a bit shaky. Recently I was interested in the Custom Shop's WW2 repro, and I examined three guns before finding another that looked like it was assembled right (I didn't buy it because they wanted too much). The first ones I saw had severe slide/dust cover rubbing, wavy edges, and other cosmetic screwups. I figured if the outside is that bad then the innards must not be any better. Remind you, these were the Custom Shop guns! However, I have examined a few 1991 models that were put together well. I'd say they are still having some trouble, but compared to the 90's they have cut down the number of lemons quite a bit. There was a time when every single one I examined looked like a POS just handling it!

Unfortunately the other manufacturers aren't any better off. If you look on the 1911 Forum folks' Springfields are getting VERY nasty. Poor fit and finish, broken slides, and haphazard reliability. And Kimbers are breaking their MIM parts. Their slide stops, rear sights, and thumb safeties are snapping off! This is why so many people say the 1911 is antiquated junk. If they made them then like they do now the US Army would have gone with the Luger!
 
The last new Colts I bought

were about 5 years ago - a Gold Cup to replace one that was ripped off many years ago and a Mustang stainless. Excellent guns!

I have several Colts from the 50s to current day and all have proven to be high quality firearms.

Did I get lucky? They have their good days and bad days like all the rest. I could tell you some stories about the Springfield gun from hell, but this is a Colt thread.
 
In the mid nineties I bought two Series 80 Gold Cups and have been extremely impressed with their reliability and accuracy.

Also later bought two 45 Government Models, a 38 Super, a Delta Elite and a Delta Gold Cup. All are Series 80 and have been exemplary and all work with the factory mags.

I have a pair of Series 70 Commanders that have also performed 100% with factory mags.

All of these guns were bought used in like new condition. There is not a dang thing wrong with a quality pistol that you take a good look at before you plunk down your hard earned cash.

I also bought a brand new Concealed Carry XS model 45 ACP. Exemplary.

B. Shipley, I've heard you relate the same story for two years. Did you buy the guns sight unseen? It must have been obvious that the slide flats were off even by a casual eyeball. I have been well pleased by every Colt I've bought.

As in everything else in this world, "Let the buyer beware."
 
As usual I appreciate the information given on this forum. But I have to agree with what many of the posters have said.
Unfortunately sometimes all it takes is "one bad apple".
I have one pistol that everyone else swears by, I swear at it.
I think a Colt would be a welcome addition, especially since it would be my first "new" 1911!

Once again thanks for the info!
:D

Jon
 
And the story remains the same for the past two years.

I did buy the gun sight unseen b/c nobody had one in stock.

I got the last few out of SportsSouth's inventory at the time.

They were the only big wholesaler w/ any.

It was either fix it or forget it. I fixed it.

It shoots nice now, but one should get a quality product for $1200
out of the "custom shop," Not one with uneven flats and rounded corners from some idiot who
radiused it on a belt sander.

The Python was also ordered. Note: My S&Ws have much better triggers after
I put in a spring kit.

As was the DS-II.

So piss on Colt.

BigG-

That also means that I've bought FOUR NEW Colts to your one (including a 1911 enhanced).

This reminds me somewhat of yahoos who bitch at me b/c I own a foreign Acura when I've owned more
American cars (new) in the past 10 years than they have
(theirs is is usually 15+ years old w/ 4 shades of primer, various amounts of rust, and blue-black exhaust).




I can order a Glock or SIG and expect to get what I paid for nearly every time.


As for the workers and CNC machines, that is the problem.

Colt is CNC deficient.

I did hear that they did buy one to make 1911 slides last year.
 
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