Colt Detective Special

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Okay, I had to sell all my guns except for two (okay, I kept the Jennings and the Burgo also, I just couldn't do it) because of, well, family reasons.

I only have the Kimber and the Norinco left. But, now I have some money (lay-a-way only) to spend and I found a Colt Detective Special (.38) in Nickel.

$550.

Too expensive? It seems so to me. Tamara (who I haven't seen in awhile and I can't post on THR) would be the best source but since I can't get her, I guess ya'll will do (j/k :p ).

Wayne
 
Can't post on THR? Hmmmm....

I had a "shot" at a lovely D.S. in nickle, but dallied too long. The store wanted about $450-460.

Chuck
 
..it all depends how much you like that gun...if I like a gun enough I will pay extra to be satisfied with the gun....(I just bought a mint Colt Det too..it is a mid 60s gun..I will practice with it and enjoy it until I find a mint pre-war model then will sell it off)...nickel finishes tend to bring premium prices...
 
Can't post on THR? Hmmmm

Yes, I was banned. My own dang fault. So what? We all make mistakes :).

..it all depends how much you like that gun...if I like a gun enough I will pay extra to be satisfied with the gun....(I just bought a mint Colt Det too..it is a mid 60s gun..I will practice with it and enjoy it until I find a mint pre-war model then will sell it off)...nickel finishes tend to bring premium prices...

In a way, it was larger than I thought. I'm thinking the guns that Joe Friday and such used in the old cop shows. I thought they were Colts but I could be mistaken.

As for the $550 price tag, there are so many modern guns that go under that but I'm still interested but not interested in this gun.

Wayne
 
I would say no if it is a 3rd generation. I would buy a Armscor version if I could. The 1st or 2nd generation revolvers are pushing $600.00. The 3rd generation Detective Specials were simply made from left overs found in the parts bin. They often have rust issues. I recently handled one with a peeling nickel finish. The Detective Specials are iffy as to +P 38 Specials too. They are CCW perfection in 38 Special though. I have Pachmayr and Herret grips for my Colt. The Pachmayrs are most comfortable for me. DPris has a Detective Special 3rd generation the last I knew of. He likes it.
 
then I would wait...Friday used it in his series..then I believe he got a S&W later on...the Colt Det is the classic snub nose..no question...I had to choose between it and a Cobra and decided on the Det as I preferred the meatier(heavier)steel frame...some think it is borderline as a pocket gun...??..I plan to get my AZ CCW permit with it..find a nice little belt holster for it...the little thing is a finely made piece of iron...:)..William is right ..for the 38..the Colt is really unbeatable...
 
Sir,

I will check what gen. it is, good advice, I didn't think about that.

I won't be able to get to it until later this weekend, family things and such, but I will ask.

But honestly, it seemed so big to me, I was thinking more of the charter arms size that I gave to my mom.

Wayne
 
I have wondered about that myself. Colt made the 3rd Generation Detective Specials from house stock. I have wondered about the shrouded barrels and have asked and been given several different opinions. The one I subscribe to is that Colt had house stock shrouded barrels and used them up. These could have been Diamondback or one source suggests Police Positive Specials that were not produced due to the Wonder9s coming on so fast. I have never had a problem with the ejector rods hanging out in space. Wayne, if that Detective Special is large and the ejector rod is shrouded, it is a DSIII in my opinion.
 
The "Third Generation" shrouded barreled Colt Detective Special was made from 1973 to 1986.

That's 13 years and tens of thousands of "parts guns".

The only Colt DS's that were ever made up from left-over parts were a short run in the early 1990's.

Colt had discontinued the DS "permanently ..... honest" in 1986.

In the early 1990's, Colt found a good supply of parts, so they assembled these into guns.

The supply only lasted for less than 6 months and was exhausted.

That these were assembled from parts was no secret. Several gun writers did stories on the limited run that Colt said was going to be the absolute LAST and final run of DS's that would ever be made....."REALLY...honest".

Hot rumors had it that Colt had sold the production jigs and dies to Armscor and they would begin making the Detective Special.

In fact, Armscor never made anything but a cheap revolver that externally resembled the DS.

Truth is, the limited run of parts guns created a demand.
Colt reversed themselves, introducing the "Fourth Generation" Colt DS in 1994, which was produced until 1995, when it was replaced by the new Colt "SF" framed guns.

The so-called "Fourth Generation" DS is in fact the exact same gun as the Third Generation.

The only other time I'm aware of that Colt used left-over parts to build Detective Specials was in early WWII, when they used left-over Police Positive Special frames with the square butt to assemble DS's for the government.
 
I am glad you came along and added to the Colt confusion of Detective Specials. I have not figured them out. I always understood there was a 1st Generation, a 2nd Generation and a 3rd Generation. The 3rd Generation was inclusive of what you term 4th Generation DS. I am somewhat confused as to these being called strike revolvers by some. Were these 4th Generation DS revolvers manufactured during the walkout? Weren't the WWII PPSs called Commando revolvers?
 
Just WHAT constitutes a Detective Special "Generation" depends on who you talk to.

The most widely accepted sequence is this:
First: The original model as made from 1927 to sometime in the 1960's.
This version had the long grip frame and the exposed ejector rod.

Second: This was the change to the short "stubby" grip frame. This was introduced in the mid-60's.

Third: This was the new heavy, shrouded barrel introduced in 1972-73.

Fourth: This was the last version, and was just the Third re-introduced in 1993.

Although this is the "generally accepted" sequence, some collectors have a problem with this, and you could make a good case for THIS sequence:

First: The REAL original DS with the long SQUARE butt as made from 1927 to 1933.

Second: The DS as made from 1933 to the late post-war 40's with the long ROUNDED butt.

Third: The post-war change to the new spring and plunger cylinder detent system, the ramped front sight, and the assigning of letter codes to the frame size. This was when the small Colt frame was first known as the "D" frame.

Fourth: The 60's change to the "stubby" grip frame.
"Somewhere" in here, the ejector rod was changed to a longer version that was just slightly shorter than the barrel.

Fifth: The 1972-73 heavy, shrouded barrel.

Sixth: If you get really technical the re-introduction of the DS in 1993 counts, since the model WAS discontinued, and Colt's that are discontinued, then re-introduced have always counted as a generation.

Seventh: The new 1995 Colt "SF" stainless guns including the SF-VI and the DS-II.

Eighth: The .357 Magnum Magnum Carry.

Most people DO NOT count the "SF" frame as a Detective Special generation, since it's an entirely different gun, not simply an altered "D" frame.
This would be like claiming the King Cobra is a generation of the original Official Police.

The WWII Commando was simply a war-time Official Police with a parkerized finish and plastic grips.

During the big Colt strike, Colt's polishers were out, and they didn't have enough qualified people to do all the polishing needed, so they assigned the people they did have to the premium guns like the Python and Government Model.

To enable them to produce guns, they introduced a series of their standard guns in an un-polished, flat black finish.

This series included:
The Peacekeeper, which was the Trooper Mark V.
The Commando, also known as the Commando Special, which was the Detective Special.
And black finished Agents and Cobras.
It's unknown why Colt didn't assign new names to the Agent and Cobra versions.

This has led to some confusion with the WWII parkerized Official Police known as the Commando.

So, you have your choice of what constitutes a Colt small frame Generation.

To avoid confusion, most people use the most widely accepted version which is the First, Second, Third, and Fourth.
 
Dfariswheel and Sir;

Thanks for the information :) (MAN I LOVE this place!)

From the knowledge that I just gained, I'm thinking that I want either the 1st or 2nd gen. and not the 3rd.

In a way, I guess what put me off on this one is the fact that the grips didn't have COLT on them either, just plain wood.

Wayne

edited because I wanted both Dfariswheel and Sir that I was addressing both :)
 
A Colt Detective Special in nickel for $550 would be to much for me, although I do not doubt the validity of the price.

Here's why: $550 is getting into Colt 1911 money. S&W J frames can be had for $200-250 if you want a wheelgun for carry. If you want the wheelgun for range use, the snubbie is not your meat. That kind of puts the Dick Special into the collector's pen. As a historical gun, this one is nickeled. That might excite some folks, but if I'm buying a DS as a collector piece, I would want a blued gun with some wear on it. I would also want a first generation. That's just me. I figure that $550 is a hopeful price for this gun, but if the truth is told, someone will likely pay it. It's just to high for me.
 
XB,

That is kind of what I was thinking. Nickel is pretty but I was/am wanting something like Joe Friday carried or the old timie "dick" guns.

And, if I start to get into Colt or S&W, I want the grips that have the COLT written on it or the original grips if either.

Also, the SP101 is under $500 and I couldn't justify the Colt at $550 in my mind. Especially from what I've read here.

Thanks again all.

Wayne
 
What I learned of Dick Specials mirrored that of Dwheel. The parts guns were the 4th generation models. The shrouded barrel is what defined a 3rd generation. I also have heard many conflicting stories of what made the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation models so I asked the question about the barrel.
 
Dfarriswheel, THANK YOU! I appreciate your points of clarification. I will copy them down and keep it as a reference. I collect Colts and D frames in particular. That explanation was the best one I have read. I have square and long as well as short and rounded PPs, PPSs and Detective Specials. I bought a round butt, blued Colt Lawman MKIII in 357 Magnum and never saw a need for another Colt snub. I still want some more!
 
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