Colorado's Amendment 22

Zak Smith

New member
Well, I sat down at read the blue book I got in the mail, just to see how bad the language is on Amendment 22, the so-called "gunshow loophole" amendment.

Here's the summary:
1. requires background checks if any part of a gun purchase takes place at a gun show with the exception of antiques, C&R's;

2. requires a designated licensed gun dealer to obtain background checks, and to keep records of purchases as he or she would when selling, renting, or exchanging at retail;

3. defines a gun show as any event or function where 25 or more guns are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange, or at least three gun owners exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange guns; and

4. creates misdemeanor penalties punishable by jail, fines, or both.

So, let's hypothetically say I have 25 guns (Damn, I'm still short!), and I invite you over for dinner. Afterwards, I say, "Joe, you can buy any gun I have."

Whammo! Under this proposed amendment, my house is now a "gun show" because I "offered or exhibited for sale" 25 or more guns.


Let's take another scenario. Bob, Joe, and I are the only ones shooting at the local shooting range. Bob owes me about $500 from when I helped him finance a hip-replacement for his dad. He's shooting his SIG P239. I'm shooting my FAL, and Joe's shooting his HK P7. Bob offers to give me his P239 to pay up the debt, and Joe offers to trade his P7 for my FAL. Guess what? - We have now created a gun-show!


An even more scary implication is the language, "if any part of a gun purchase takes place at a gun show." Since they don't define that phrase specifically, what does it mean? Does it mean if I turn down Bob's offer now, but trade him something a month later? If I meet you at a gun-show, and we don't talk about any transactions, but I come over a month later and buy something from you?


I trying to convince everyone I come into contact with to vote against this, but according to the press, about 70% of the people are for it. Realistically, it will probably go through.

Will it completely outlaw private sales? Not as I read it. I think it will still be possible to make a legal private purchase without getting a background check by merely making damn sure the situations in which transactions are proposed or carried out have no relation to their defintion of "gun show", namely:

1. less than 25 guns "exhibited for sale, transfer, etc"; and

2. never have more than two people "offering .. for sale, exchange, etc" at the same place, at once.

"The law is an ass."

-z

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not only do i try and get anyone i talk to (and smithz can verify) i talk to alot of people. if you are in no. colo. stop by where i work and see the big
VOTE NO ON 22
NO MORE GUN CONTROL
sign in the front window of where i work
well actually the sign is in my office window.the owner has her peta sign in the waiting room.
 
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3. defines a gun show as any event or function where 25 or more guns are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange, or at least three gun owners exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange guns; and
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YIKES! This would make just about everyday at our place a `gunshow'! Not only are there more than enough guns around here most of the time to meet the 25 guns part but, you can also usually find more than three people, too. (And there's almost always a conversation along the lines of swapping / trading / selling *sometime* during those times.)

And... I hate to think about what the `reaction' would be around Christmas time. (Especially if was anything like last Christmas when my wife and I each gave each other new handguns, I received a new rifle [Actually an old but in really nice condition SMLE.] from my cousin, I gave my nephew one of my old .22s, my daughter gave me a new 9422 rifle so that I could `retire' my Win Model 61 pump before I `shot it out', and my wife and I gave both her father and his wife a `matching set' of `baby' Glocks for CCW.) Yeeesh!

I've been trying to explain that Ammendment 22 just isn't the way to `solve?' anything to just about anyone who'll listen and I keep feeling like I'm just talking to a brick wall. ("Don't confuse me with the *facts* my `mind?' [What mind!?] is already made up", is the main thing I've gotten out of the majority of the people. AARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!) It's worse than trying to explain that Ammendment 24 will hasten the demise of the `Family Farm' and drive housing prices right up the wall. At least with *that* one you can get them to realize that it's going to hit them right where `they live', right in their `wallets' / `pocketbooks'. If it were only *that* simple to get them to equate what Ammendment 22 would do in the same fashion. (And don't think I haven't tried explaining to them the `secondary' effects of lost incomes, more wasted money to try and enforce it, more violent crime and medical expenses from `victim disarmmaent', etc.. They just *refuse* to accept *anything* but what they've been `spoonfed'!)

BTW, I'm open to anyone from the anti-ammendment crew coming down this way and putting up a sign or two here on our farm. {GRIN!} It ought to look really good with the "Vote No On Ammendment 24" sign I hoping to have up pretty soon.



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Doleo ergo sum,
-HALFPINT-
 
According to the polls, this is going to win big time. 70% support it.

So, having NICS checks for private sales at guns is going to be coming to your neighborhood soon. Get used to it.

It has surface validity and probably will push a few illegal sales out of the gun shows. It probably won't impact you much anyway - maybe another fee.

So did the RKBA folks pick another battle which there is no coherent strategy or arguments except the ever popular slippery slope?

Yep. Now, if it turns around I'm wrong. But I wouldn't bet on it.
 
My reading of these laws (a clone of this is Measure 5 in Oregon) is that it has nothing to do with closing the phantom "loophole".

IMHO it has everything to do with establishing a mindset that accepts controls on transactions between individuals and building a database of all gunowners.

The next "loophole" to be discovered, with much mock horror and consternation is that people can advertise and sell guns via newspapers or Pennysaver-type tabloids.

Once that one is closed, then it just remains the "cleanup" of random sales (as in the gun range scenario above) or inter-family transfers.

Small steps, small steps.
 
If this passes, look for the closing of the "private sale loophole" next November...

I'm talking to people, have the bumper sticker on my car, etc. Why are so many people willing to give up their rights? I guess they just don't want them. Sad.
 
SMITHZ,JIMC are either you a member of Rocky mountain gunowners.
They seem to be the only state group opposing the amendment.
Im shocked bluesman didnt close this as a duplicate post.
EVerytime this subject comes up I remind everyone like a broken record
yes it will pass and it will pass because for years youve been financing a lobby that is more than willing to compromise on such issues, baby steps(one law at a time) are no problem to them
theyve still got rifle on their name and the liberal media telling YOU their fighting so they have nothing to worry about.
Were badly outnumbered in CO. SAFE,HCI,the dot com billionaire now and the NRA.
The opposition to the measure 22
RMGO and GOA.
I think its sweet how were all willing to admit its a bad step in a bad direction but not admit whos 'led' us in this direction.
Again am I the only one that knew the NRA also supported this on a federal level.
Using the existance of armed criminals to make it harder for us to buy unregistered
(untrackable) guns, no weve never heard that one before.
www.gunowners.org www.ccops.org www.citizensofamerica.org

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
halfpint
plattville eh? just down the road from you. if you would like one of those posters drop me an e-m and we can touch bases
 
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