Colorado gun control bills being challenged by Republicans

If they do them as separate bills, the magazine ban will go away, but I don't think the background check requirement will get the repeal.

I'm on several Colorado gun sales/trade social media sites and people are selling standard capacity magazines like crazy, but taken apart and placed in a plastic bag labeled "repair kit". Its fairly well known that the ban only served to make Magpul leave the state, nothing else was accomplished.
 
They have multiple separate bills pointed at the magazine ban, poll tax background checks as well as a few pro-2A bills (one for constitutional carry aka no CCW permit needed, and carrying in the workplace in some instances).

So it'll be interesting what becomes of this effort, as Hick was placed in a pretty awkward position a few months ago by apologizing to everyone for what he did, and now it's time to make it right.

And on a side note, i concur with the "parts kits", and from what I heard on the grapevine that some dealers are just selling guns as usual, regardless of ban and the sheriffs know about it - and don't care :cool: (if any CO LEO is reading this - thank you :thumbsup: )
 
It may gain some traction, especially since Hickenlooper publicly stated that they acted on an issue they didn't fully understand and ignored the advice and pleas of many Colorado sheriffs.
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I think focusing on the fact that it's unenforceable, and that law enforcement has no real interest in enforcing it, could convince people that it's not worth having. The question is: will it convince enough?

the sheriffs know about it - and don't care
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The only problem is that present lack of enforcement doesn't guarantee future lack of enforcement. It would be a bad idea for people to get complacent, only to get bitten later.
 
Tom Servo said:
I think focusing on the fact that it's unenforceable, and that law enforcement has no real interest in enforcing it, could convince people that it's not worth having. The question is: will it convince enough?
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Maybe ... or maybe not. Once enacted, laws develop a lot of staying power.

My state used to have a law that had been on the books for approximately 80 years (YEARS) before it was ever used to make an arrest. Once the arrest was made, it turned out in court that neither the police department that made the arrest nor the prosecutor handling the case could even understand what it said. After the prosecution had finished its dog and pony show and rested, the defense didn't even bother to offer a defense -- they went directly to a motion to dismiss.

The judge asked on what basis. Defense counsel said, "Because the law is in two parts, each of which prohibits two very specific types of activity, and the prosecution has offered no evidence that my client has violated either part of the law." The judge thought about it for about 30 seconds, agreed, and dismissed the case.

Remember, this law had managed to survive for more than 80 years. About a year after that case, a different police department threatened to enforce it against two young women who were opening a bookstore. (The law involved fraudulent practices.) The young ladies had a lot of supporters, who went to the legislature and demanded that the law be repealed. I didn't know the young ladies personally, but I knew several people among their supporters. I also knew the defense attorney from the prior case. So I joined the mob, and I testified at the legislative hearing on repeal. We won, and the law is no more.

The point being: It was bad law. The language was so convoluted that an entire police department and a state prosecutor couldn't even read it and understand what it said. But it remained on the books for nearly a century.

But that case also proves that bad laws can be repealed if the people work at it.
 
They have multiple separate bills pointed at the magazine ban, poll tax background checks as well as a few pro-2A bills (one for constitutional carry aka no CCW permit needed, and carrying in the workplace in some instances).
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As a Coloradan, im all for the mag ban going away. But we have to be careful about going the "constitutional carry" route. A permit from your home state gives you carry ability in some other states that would not exist without that permit
 
Thats an elegant solution that i would support. Gives everyone the right to carry inside Co AND provides a hard oermit for those that desire one.
 
Maybe ... or maybe not. Once enacted, laws develop a lot of staying power.
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Oh, I don't disagree with that in the least. There have been a couple of articles sympathetic to Washington's I-594 in which they've said, "it's not like they're arresting people, so what are all the gun guys upset about?"

The point is, anybody could get arrested so long as the law is on the books.

That said, Colorado's UBC law isn't an obscure thing. It's been subject to national attention and controversy. I doubt this one's going to slip by unnoticed.
 
I think that you have a good chance of getting
some of those new laws repealed. You will need
to get engaged politically and put forth some effort.
Good luck !
 
Does anyone have a link to an actual bill?
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There have been a couple of articles sympathetic to Washington's I-594 in which they've said, "it's not like they're arresting people, so what are all the gun guys upset about?"

The point is, anybody could get arrested so long as the law is on the books.
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If folks are comfortable living in a system with highly selective enforcement of vague, nebulous, and all-encompassing statutes, perhaps they could move to Russia.

I'd prefer to believe that this is NOT how the system works in the USA.
 
I agree with you about constitutional carry, that'll be a hard sell. Personally, i think taking even a basic CCW class falls relatively in line with "well regulated" in the 2A, since you're increasing your knowledge of the practice and use of a firearm.

And the bills are posted on RMGO's website:

http://www.rmgo.org/political/gun-laws/billwatch
 
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Out of curiosity, does that mean you don't do any business or visits to NY either? Frankly- considering the laws here I'm jealous of those who live in CA and CO...
 
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Denver still an island in Colorado as far as carry regulations go?

doofus47
Yes, a desert island, as in: don't carry there.
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I believe Concealed carry is legal in Denver, it is Open Carry that is not.
 
Out of curiosity, does that mean you don't do any business or visits to NY either? Frankly- considering the laws here I'm jealous of those who live in CA and CO...
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No I don't, I have been to NY once in 95, I took part in Freedom Flight and the last leg was over the George Washing Bridge, down the Hudson, and past the Intrepid and Statue of Liberty.
If I am looking for something on line and I see several places I can buy it, if the cheapest is in a gun unfriendly state, I spend the extra and get it from a gun friendly state.
I am in Phx, AZ and have been thru Colorado a number of times both by air and ground, but since they passed all that BS, they see no business from me.
 
steve4102
I believe Concealed carry is legal in Denver, it is Open Carry that is not.
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Yep, thanks for correcting me. You're right. I had that backwards.
I guess I just betrayed my bias against that big city and how often I don't go there....
 
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