Colorado-Boulder community frustrated after latest riot

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Colorado-Boulder community frustrated after latest riot

Copyright © 2000 Nando Media
Copyright © 2000 Scripps McClatchy Western Service

By ELIZABETH MATTERN, Daily Camera of Boulder, Colo.

BOULDER, Colo. (September 11, 2000 10:18 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - It's a weekend night and there's another party. Crowds arrive. There's alcohol.

As the party spills into the street, revelers become rambunctious, burning furniture and overturning cars.

Then the police show up with tear gas.

Now it's a riot - a word becoming increasingly common in the neighborhood, mainly inhabited by University of Colorado students.

"I don't think you can stop it. It's a force of nature," freshman Peter Bales said. "This is a college town."

Faced with a problem that doesn't appear to be going away, the city, university and police are trying to find ways to address rioting and the alcohol issues that surround the behavior.

Early Friday morning, it happened again. It was the latest in a series of riots near the CU-Boulder campus since 1997 and the second since the school year began. Four CU students were suspended and two were arrested following Friday's incident.

On Aug. 27, three people were arrested following a riot, although none were CU students.

Some University Hill residents say police overreact to incidents in their neighborhood.

"The cops respond too fast and too aggressively," CU senior Kristin Lehman said.

But after two riots in the first two weeks of the academic year, Anthony Goodman of the CU student government said he is "sad" and "disheartened." He's almost speechless about what this means for his campus and other campus communities across the country that are dealing with similar acts of violence.

"At this point, it's almost looked upon as that's what you do. If a party is broken up and you have a lot of people, you have strength in numbers and you got to set a couch on fire and taunt the police," Goodman said. "It's so frustrating and just ridiculous to see that that's part of the atmosphere. We've had six since 1997 and it's kind of like that's what we do now."

The largest riot in recent history was in May 1997, when young people frustrated with the enforcement of drinking laws lashed out at police, sparking three nights of violence at the end of CU's spring semester. More than 30 people were arrested and 60 police officers were injured.

"Students for some reason are feeling they've got to retaliate against the police or ... I'm not sure who they're retaliating against," said Ron Stump, vice chancellor for student affairs at the Boulder campus.

In response, the university is encouraging students to take stock in their community, educating them about alcohol issues, working with merchants on the sale of alcohol, and getting a message across that rioters will be punished for their violent behavior.

A new three-strike policy means CU students convicted of three minor alcohol or drug related incidents, on or off campus, will be kicked out of school for a semester.

Stump said he is bothered on two levels by the recent riots.

"It bothers me that they throw bottles and cans at other human beings with an indifference to who the police are as people," he said. "Second, it seems to me there's a sense of entitlement, that this is part of a fun activity, that for some reason they feel it's OK or right to do this."

With recent moves to keep alcohol off campus, Stump said, young people are heading to the Hill for beer keg parties, and the Boulder community is feeling the effects.

"People are going to houses to have their parties, and the houses cannot control them or even have the space for the numbers who show up," he said. "Now there's a sense that if their party gets broken up, the next stage is to basically sit down and force the police to disperse them."

On Tuesday, several concerned residents of the Hill urged the City Council to take some action to prevent future disturbances and what they perceived as the decline of University Hill as a neighborhood.

The council directed City Manager Ron Secrist to form a task force to look into ways the city might help address the problems. The committee has not yet been formed. By the end of the week, however, the city received several phone calls from residents interested in participating.

Police Chief Mark Beckner said Boulder does not have the financial resources to spend on overtime pay for extra officers on the Hill in anticipation of a riot.

Instead, police will "enhance" their patrols in the area with the existing officers, and they are discussing other tactics for crowd control.

"People keep asking us if we're bracing for another riot. We're not bracing for a riot," Deputy Chief Jim Hughes said.

Elizabeth Mattern writes for the Daily Camera in Boulder, Colo.
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Overturn my car and I'll introduce you to my friends, "X" & "X". Sounds to me like a few po-po need to bust some rubber caps on a few unruley students.. :rolleyes:

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
I've been a Boulder resident for 17 years. I'm not intending to excuse the actions of a few immature, boorish, children, but I agree with some of these students that this continual rioting is a reaction to overzealous police enforcement of rediculous drinking age regulations.

I'm 45 and went to college at one of the major party schools in the south. In my day, 18 was the legal age to drink so there was any number of places you could go to have a drink (we had refrigerators in our dorm rooms containing at least a six pack of beer at all times). Sure, there were immature drunks who caused problems but the incidents were distributed over an entire city and were much less noticeable and, frankly, much less dangerous. When drunks got out of line, a couple of bouncers took them outside and bounced them around the parking lot. Problem solved.

Today, 18 yr olds going off to college have to skulk around in secrecy to drink.

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With recent moves to keep alcohol off campus, Stump said, young people are heading to the Hill for beer keg parties, and the Boulder community is feeling the effects.

"People are going to houses to have their parties, and the houses cannot control them or even have the space for the numbers who show up," he said. "Now there's a sense that if their party gets broken up, the next stage
is to basically sit down and force the police to disperse them." [/quote]

So, kids are having clandestine parties because there is nowhere else they can go to drink legally and when other kids find out about them, they are flooded with kids, many who don't know each other, things get out of hand. Throwing the police in the mix just makes it worse. Here again, we have an excellent example of why prohibition doesn't work and never will.

Personally, I don't blame these kids for being emotional powderkegs. They are of the legal age for everything else, including dying for their country, but they can't walk into a bar, buy a drink and sit down to watch a football game.

Like gun control laws and drug control laws, these anti-alcohol laws are not only doomed to failure but they are destined to create more and more oppressive government control.

[This message has been edited by proximo (edited September 12, 2000).]
 
Yeah, yeah..

I've gotten plastered many a times under-aged while at school.

But I DID NOT over turn people's cars, burn furniture and riot with police.

Just the point I'm trying to make. Drink underage in public, and you will get caught.

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oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
Hmmm. You seemed to have missed my point. Its criminal that most of these college students can't legally buy a beer. Maybe if you lived in constant dread of the police arresting you for drinking a beer, you'd understand their anger.
 
First, let us deal with the issue of people 18-21 not being able to buy legally a drink. I too came of age when 18 was the age in many states. It is too bad that inconsitent laws about what constitutes adulthood do not help. Nevertheless, such injustice does not justify anti-social behavior. Public drunkeness, destruction of property, and disturbing the peace are crimes regardless of what the drinking age is. I have no sympathy for these people when the police respond.

Next, I turned down a teaching position (last spring) at UC-Boulder for a number of reasons. A primary one is that Boulder is a well-known party school inhabited by spoiled brats who are dumped there by their rich parents for the sake of skiing and binge drinking. I am weary of over-privileged young adults who cannot hold their liquor or do their work in a responsible fashion.

When a moment of reckoning occurs, they blame everyone but themselves for the results of their own stupidity. There is not enough money to pay me to coddle these people while they endure an extended adolescence that now lasts to about 30 years of age.

American higher education has become hostage to these darling little f**k*rs. Colleges and universities are soon to join primary and secondary schools as examples of how tax-supported education fails the society it is intended to serve.

Indeed, the more people plead for individual responsibility, the rarer it becomes. Incidents such as the one at Boulder, or at Washington State a couple of years ago, are merely symptoms of a deeper malaise affecting the U.S. These future graduates will be the future leaders who will abrogate your civil rights, after a round of heavy drinking, of course.

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[This message has been edited by Trevor (edited September 12, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Trevor (edited September 12, 2000).]
 
I grew up when the legal age for drinking was 21. And the legal age for getting drafted to die in Viet Nam was 18. Screw these kids if they think they are being put upon. MOST 18 yo's cannot handle alcohol, no matter what they think. We all thought we could at that age and if anyone over thirty stills thinks it is a good idea for children to drink then they are part of the problem.
In Texas, after dark, it is legal to kill someone for doing exactly what those kids in Boulder are doing. I guess they are lucky they don't go to Sam Houston State.

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[This message has been edited by TexasVet (edited September 12, 2000).]
 
IMHO the problem is not the drinking but the irresponsibility of the children involved. I use the term 'children' because that is exactly what they are - evident by their actions not their ages.
I began college at Georgia Southern, a renowned party school. We drank under age but for the vast majority of the time as long as it was under control and sociable the cops didn't bother us. They did patrols routine enough that when they came by we tucked contraband away, waved, and continued a few minutes later. If they got a complaint about noise or too many people at a party then they leisurely made their way into the area, had a chat with the group, and we took care of the problem. Either the group split up for more elbow room or older/more sober heads exercised a little brotherly guidance on those who were over the line. Rarely did things get to the point where arrests were necessary. When an LEO showed up you said "Yes, sir, we'll take care of it right away." and you did. No worries and everyone had a good time.
Now you have kids that yell back "F*** YOU!" when an LEO or any authority figure shows up before the cop can say two words. The kids are generally pissed at the world but they don't know why and the cops are easily identifiable targets(no thinking necessary). The cops are pissed because some little snot-nosed pampered punks are mouthing off, causing damage, and making their jobs harder when it is all really unnecessary.
Since mommy and daddy never disciplined the kids, always let them get their way, covered their mistakes and paid for the damages when they were in high school then the kids never learn the concept of self-control. They respect no authority and don't grasp the concept that if you maintain some level of self control then you can have your cake and eat it too. They don't even get the idea of punishment since they haven't really experienced it before. "Entitlement" is a good word for it.
I call it the "kennel syndrome". My great aunt had a purebred dog which spend most of its life in a little box. She bought the dog and took it to her house in North Augusta, Ga. and let it out of the box for the first time in its life. The dog went nuts, peeing and sniffing at EVERYTHING. Teenagers are like that. They live in the box (their parent's house and quasi-rules) until they go off to college and realize that they are out of the cage. Then they drink, smoke, and hump everything that can't wiggle, hop, of fly away fast enough. Kennel syndrome, says I. I don't point a finger at all of the kids but it seems the percentage of those with the syndrome gets larger and more severe every year. Poor babies aren't allowed to get sloppy and run amok? Cry me a river.
Rioting will continue until there is some horrific incident such as a mass rape, mass death by out-of-control fire, shootout, some incident like the bonfire collapse in Texas, or a celebrity gets the stinky end of the stick.
My two cents.


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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Trevor, Apple s Day and Texas Vet make good points.

My take is that these spoiled elitist brats are making a mockery of what should be an educational institution and the law of the jurisdiction in which they are residing.

Let em go to school in Saudi Arabia for a while, or any other place where there is zero tolerance for alcohol.

Better yet, let em actually have to work to earn their credentials.

Editid to include AaD who posted while me typing.

Sam...my temper bout as short as my memory

[This message has been edited by C.R.Sam (edited September 12, 2000).]
 
I have to agree. They CHOSE to overturn cars, taunt police, endanger the neighbors, throw rocks at people, etc. They chose to be violent and dangerous and prohibition of alcohol is no excuse. I suffer grievances far greater every day without rioting. They could do that too, but they figure they're entitled not to. They're wrong.

I do think prohibition is wrong. I also think the drinking age should be 18. But you can't compare the level of wrongdoing there with the level of evil in a riot where lives are threatened by rock-throwing drunks.
 
Well said Trevor.

Apple a Day, I was in the same boat with you.. only I didn't goto Ga Southern. :p

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oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
We have had several riots up at Penn State in the last couple of years surrounding the Central Pa. Arts Festival.

At 2 am the bars let out and the conflict starts.

IMHO early intervention would keep most of these college riots from hitting the flash point.

In State College, the police hold back until there is a major problem. Then they go in swinging.

They need to shackle and remove a few rowdy people before the crowds form. Seeing your buddy hauled off in a cruiser for being drunk & disorderly at 11pm would keep the rioting from happening at 2am. If riotous behavior is allowed to build unchecked until the police are faceshielded and swinging batons, then TSHF and anarchy takes over.

The pressure needs to be maintained early to contain potential riots. The police should not hang out on the edges, waiting for trouble. The officers should be in the bars maintaining a high profile. This way they are accepted as part of the scene not viewed as invaders. After all, they are dealing with snot nosed yuppie kids not smashmouth labor activists.

dZ
 
Perhaps this will help some of you see the other side of the picture. It's the cover story in the current issue of The Boulder Weekly. The cover says it best: "Forbidden Fruit: How Prohibition Causes Riots".
http://www.boulderweekly.com/coverstory.html

I really find it ironic that, with so many on this site screaming against gun prohibition, there would be so many supportive of the prohibition of adult consumption of alcohol (yes, 18 year olds are adults even though some of you seem to have forgotten).
 
I don't recall riots when I lived in Boulder (1985) but I DO recall the "College Days" riots at CSU.. CU/Boulder should look at the steps CSU took to stop the nonsense.

I also recall "rush week" at the start of the year, and the cops left it alone. NOW 10 students standing on a lawn anywhere near the hill will draw an "officer response". This story has a lot to do with Boulder's "residents" clashing with boulder's "students" as much as it does about the "alchohol problem"

my 2¢

Dr.Rob
 
"I really find it ironic that, with so many on this site screaming against gun prohibition, there would be so many supportive of the prohibition of adult consumption of alcohol (yes, 18 year olds are adults even though some of you seem to have forgotten)."-proximo

I think you may be confusing our distaste for disorderly and destructive conduct for agreement/disagreement with the drinking age. I have a serious problem with anyone who misuses alcohol and then when bad things happen BLAMES THE ALCOHOL. Sound familiar?
Gee, officer, the alcohol must have made me burgle/rape/kill, said the moron in handcuffs, because if there was no alcohol I never would have done it.
Now substitute 'gun' for 'alcohol'.
I condemn a bunch of morons for rioting and abusing alcohol just like I would condemn a bunch of morons who bought a clutch of firearms and then ran around shooting up the area. It's the same sort of irresponsibility. You will find quite a few posts here on TFL venting frustration at those people who irresponsibly handle firearms. Minors cannot own firearms but you will see pictures posted of our collective kids being trained in firearm use and SAFETY. Age is not the true issue, but maturity. It's not the use but the MISUSE to which I and a lot of people object.

Even if you object to the law that doesn't give you the right to careen around town breaking the property of innocent people and possibly injuring some regular homeowner or businessman. If there is some percieved victimization you won't remedy it by victimizing other random, innocent people. I object to a bunch of drunken monkeys being so cowardly and self-centered as to endanger innocent people.
Personally, I wouldn't give a thunderous dump is you were 18 and decided to hang out on the back porch with me and have a beer. I wouldn't even care if you caught a buzz as long as you don't do something stupid like try to drive home impaired, take that as an excuse to riot, or anything else that puts the life/health/property of anyone else at risk.
This is not a personal attack but a rant from a guy who is tired of seeing people park in the NO PARKING lane at the grocery store when there are empty parking spots 10 meters away, file lawsuits for dropping their own coffe on themselves, and vote for Clinton cronies. :mad: Sorry for going off the deep end and taking up room

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Apple, I'm pretty sure I'm not confusing anything about the message you guys are trying to get across. Its pretty black and white. I just disagree with you. By "you", I'm not refering specifically to you but to "most of the above respondents".

First, according to police reports, most of those arrested in the recent riot weren't even CU students, so let's drop this crap about out-of-control rich kids dumped at CU by their lousy parents. I live in Boulder and I know that's bull****.

Second, in any crowd of people, adults or "kids", you are going to find at least one sociopath, and several near-sociopaths. Given the slightest provocation, these socipaths are going to cause trouble, anywhere, anytime. You've known people like this, haven't you? Add alcohol and the sociopaths are going to be edgy. Add police to the mix and you've got a powderkeg, particularly if the majority of the crowd already has something to be pissed about. Emotions start feeding on emotions and the crap hits the fan.

Finally, these young adults have a lot to be pissed about. The answer isn't cracking heads but addressing the injustices they are being subjected to. The miscreants who are turning over cars and setting fires in the street can be dealt with by tossing them in jail but don't kid yourself that the problem has been addressed until you deal with the underlying issues.

Prohibition is never a good idea. You'd think by now that would have sunk in.


[This message has been edited by proximo (edited September 14, 2000).]
 
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