COL on 200 gr. SWC 45 ACP

Bill Daniel

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I am having frequent jams with my Kimber with Laser-Cast 200 gr SWC. 5.4 grains Titegroup, WLP primers. Hogdon and Lyman both advise 5.4 grains as max. The pistol is not short stroking but the bullet is jamming on the ramp. Would lengthening or shortening the COL help prevent this? Of note this was also a problem with a Colt Gold Cup yesterday. So I don't think it's a pistol problem.
Thanks,
Bill
 
I was experiencing a similar problem with SNS coated 200 gr. swc with my 1911. I started by finding the length needed to plunk and turn in my barrel, then continued shortening the oal till I found the length that would feed. When I found the right length I then had to find the powder charge for that length. Starting with a powder charge is backward.
 
With a 200 gr truncated wad cutter, like the famous H&G #68, try seating the bullet to just barely expose the full diameter shoulder. Only a 1/32" of lead needs to show. I use a taper crimp with just enough to remove the flare necessary to seat the bullet without shaving lead, plus a little more...just a little.

Leaving that little bit of full dia. shoulder of lead showing cushions the bullet as it enters the chamber in my thinking. The round should still pass the "plunk" test. Conversely, seating the bullet all the way so that it is flush with the case mouth never works for me. The 1/32" of lead exposed seating depth comes from Al Dinan, a "back in the day" master gunsmith and is currently used by every competition shooter I know.

If the 1/32" of lead showing seating depth method doesn't work, I seat it out just a bit more, allowing a bit more of the lead to show. It's still got to pass the "plunk" test however. If I can't get the seating depth right before the "plunk" test fails, I know that there is another factor at work: magazine lips, barrel ramp, something...In your case, you're working with a Kimber, right? Have you completed the Kimber recommended (totally BS in my opinion), 200-300 "break-in" rounds? You can always call their so-called customer service. If that bullet won't feed through the Gold Cup, then the load or seating depth are off.

Most commercial .45 ACP wadcutters now use a clone of the H&G #68 for the simple reason that they will feed through most any 1911 that doesn't have major issues. That Laser Cast 200 gr SWC looks like a H&G 68 to me, in a search I just did.

I'm not familiar with Titegroup in the .45, but I do know that WST, WSF, Unique, Win 231, HP 38, Bullseye, and Herco all work well at charge levels that produce 750 to 850 fps. If your Titegroup load isn't producing that velocity, you'll need to adjust it or pick another powder.

HTH's Rod
 
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45 acp OAL soft lead alloy

Soft lead will drag and deform on the ramp.
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[/URL][/IMG] Measure head to shoulder .947" for my Gold Cup, is just touching the rifling.
 
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COL on 200 gr SWC 45 ACP

Thanks everybody! As per the link from gadawg88 I increased the COL to 1.265". That gives me 0.954" base to shoulder and hand cycles well. Will try out several magazines at the new indoor range in town. Anybody traveling near Bowling Green KY check out Sherwood's Guns gun shop and indoor range. It's the nicest indoor range I have ever used and Mrs. Daniel likes their friendly staff and help from their knowledgeable range officers.
All the best,
Bill
 
If the bullet is a 68 or clone, 1.250 +/- .010 is a good place to start. My 1911's happen to like 1.240.

Plunk is important!
 
Coal on 200 grain SWC 45 ACP

Just an up date. I lengthened the coal to 1.265". They feed well and eject well:)
Thanks again to all,
Bill
 
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