cocked and locked ?

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kidcoltoutlaw

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has anybody ever had there 1911 saftey come off while carrying it ? even so if the grip saftey is working you should still have a back up.the hk usp can be carried cocked and locked but has no grip saftey.it also has a heavy trigger and i glad it does.wish the trigger was lighter but i think i would be chicken to carry it if it did,cocked and locked that is.would you carry a hk usp cocked and locked with a light trigger ?
 
If you are having to ask this question then you probably have no business carrying any gun cocked and locked. Cocked and locked carry is for the true pistolero who is completely confident and capable with his chosen weapons system. I carry a full-size 1911 .45 in condition one every dadgum day and would not consider carrying it any other dadgum way. If it makes you nervous...don't do it. If you are completely confident and capable with it, by all means join me and carry in condition one.

NOTE: You mention light triggers. Single action autos should not have less than 4# triggers when carried for practical self defense use. Triggers less than 4# are fine on target guns but not on combat arms.
 
I can't speak of the full size 1911, but I do carry a Colt government 380 daily. It has no grip safety. I do carry it cocked and locked in a DeSantis leather belt holster with it full of CorBon.
But like Sundance said..If you don't feel completely comfortable with it....DON'T.

Be Safe
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Take your favorite heater that you can carry C'n'L, make suer it is unloaded and wear it around the house for a week C'n'L with the thumb safety on in your holster of choice. I'll wager that the thumb safety will not "wipe off."

After a week of that kind of carry around the house, carry the pistol for another week w/o the thumb safety engaged. Unless you pull the trigger or have a major parts failure (odds of that happening are beyond figuring) the hammer is not going to fall.

I have given that advise to several people that were leery of carrying their 1911s C'n'L, they wanted to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber and carry that way because they felt it was "safer". After two weeks of the above in house carry, they now carry C'n'L. I've carried a 1911 C'n'L since '64 or '65 without the hammer falling or safety becoming disengaged by accident.
 
I have heard and read the following:

Pat Sweeney tells of an auto accident in which he was the victum while wearing a C&L commander pistol. ispite some pretty vigrous movmvnt on his part(he was hiot pretty good) the gun stayed on safe.
A second story I read again on the 1911 C&L was the wearer again involved in a auto accident. He had to be cut from the vehicle. When his 1911 was returned to him the frount of the pistol was bent in a u shape.(the nuzzlw pointed back at the person holding the gun) it was still C&L through. Both seem to point to the safty of the redudnent system of the colt 1911.
Still it does not feel comfortablew to ME. thus I don't (and won't) carry a 1911. I tend to prefer revolvers cor CC anyway.:). The 1911's are for fun and competition.:D
 
has anybody ever had there 1911 saftey come off while carrying it ?
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Yes.. had a holster that had a nasty tendency to wipe the thumb safety off regularly. I ditched it fast.

Like the guys say.. test on an empty chamber. When comfy... do as ye will.

-K
 
It ain't just the grip safety!

For a 1911 to fire, ALL the following must occur.

1) Slide must be in Battery (Disconnector)
2) Thumb Safety must be disengaged.
3) Grip safety must be depressed.
4) Trigger must be fully to the rear to:
a) Allow the sear to bypass the half-cock notch (On pre Series 80).
b) Release firing pin block on Series 80 and Kimber II.
 
jmlv...

Either learn to type or learn to proof read.

I had to read your post several times to interpret all the typos.
 
HK USP

In specific reference to the handgun that you're asking about, H&K USPs may be carried this way quite safely. I do this whenever I carry either my 40F, 45C or 45Tac as well as with any of my Browning design pistols. Even with the manual safety disengaged the internal firing pin safety will not permit the pistol to fire unless the trigger is pressed.

The ability of the shooter to select the condition of carry, 1 or 2, is a unique feature and selling point of the USP series of pistols. Bottom line is, you've got to be confident in your own gunhandling skills in determining whether this mode of carry is for you.
 
As was mentioned before, carrying a C&L pistol with no cartridge in the chamber can reassure you that the safety will not get swiped off. A good holster will help in that it should securely cover the safety. I've run, jumped and wrestled people to the ground without the safety ever coming off (though no round was chambered during the grappling exercises). Caryy whatever you are comfotable with, if everyone were comfortable with C&L, the double action wouldn't have been invented :p
 
if everyone were comfortable with C&L, the double action wouldn't have been invented.
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Well, I think you'd still have the Sara Bradys of the world trying to make the gun more "safe". Hell, of course guns are dangerous, they wouldn't be of much use if they weren't! The key is to train so that they're only dangerous to the people that they should be dangerous to. :)
 
Safety Working Right?

I've used 1911s for a lot of years and never had a safety wipe off by accident. Just be sure the safety snaps firmly into place. I had one that was too loose and had to be changed - but it never failed either. I agree with stans about avoiding wide safety levers. The standard low-profile military version has always worked fine for me.
 
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I have carried cocked and locked, it is safer than trying to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber! I have never had the safety wipe off when carrying in a proper holster. The only time I had a problem was with a thumb break design that tended to rub the safety while fastening the thumb break. I also do not carry a 1911 that has a wide thumb safety. I find the stock safety adequate.
 
You may just need more range time to become more confident, or maybe a shooting school would help. It sounds like you don't trust your gun because you don't know it well enough.
 
Where's Rawhide?

yes, I have had it happen twice with extended "combat style" thumb safety's like the one on my Kimber. That is why for me, cocked and locked is something I do only with a mil-spec 1911 unless I have a holster that blocks the hammer and frame from contact. Good luck finding one in an IWB design without having to go custom by the way.
Never had that problem with the old fashioned standard thumb safety. I wouldnt recommend cocked and locked carry with the USP simply because they are so damn wide that it is hard to reach the thumb safety and get a proper firing grasp.
I thought Kid Colt ,the Outlaw packed a pair of single action .45 colt peacemakers? What's next, the Rawhide Kid with a Desert Eagle? Jest kiddin' pardner.
 
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